Quakers, blogs, workshops and worship
This First Day I stayed up late (I'm doing some fill-in night work these days and morning is late for me) and visited northwest Philadelphia's Chestnut Hill Monthly Meeting for worship and a monthly education hour they call "Forum." This month's focus was on Quaker blogging and I was asked to speak along with Imperfect Serenity Eileen Flanagan and Juliloquy (as usual I'm using the identities they give on the blog). In the audience were SEPTA Kid (who I knew I knew from Flickr!), A Thin Place Dan Evans and Christie, the yearly meeting staffer who helped put together the recent yearly meeting youth blog. When we began the Forum moderator asked for a show of hands for people who had blogs and there were even more bloggers there. Per capita Chestnut Hill might even outpace Twin Cities in blogdom. A few thoughts in no particular order:
Blogging Cultures
A recurring theme to the questions was privacy and how far we go to name ourselves and family members. All three of us cloak ourselves in one way or another (mine is primarily geographic, though Dan claimed he could find my address if he wanted (tell me if you can so I can see if I can plug up that hole!)). The whole concern seemed a little age-reflective, just in that I wondered if folks there knew just how open the whole Facebook/Myspace 20-something crowd can be. A difference of course is that we three panelists (and most of the audience) are of that professional age where we do have to worry about outward appearances. A common message on Myspace is the announcement that someone's got a job and will now take down their more wild pictures. Are the differences in how willing people are to share their lives online a reflection more of changing generational standards or age-based necessities?
Mommy and Daddy Blogs & Bloggings
We three bloggers were all parents of young'ish children and this all came up in our stories. With my small kids, family arrangement with my wife not being Quaker and current night-shift work, it's nearly impossible for me to give a lot of face-time to Quaker activities (Chris M recently posted about being able to accept an important meeting appointment that he had to turn down a few years ago, in part because of parental responsibilities). The particulars of my current life arrangement makes getting to worship a major accomplishment. Many bloggers are parents of small kids and our sites have given us the ability to stay more engaged in a sort of intellectual life than we could be otherwise. Many other bloggers seem to be geographically isolated from their peer group, which creates a similar dynamic.
Panels & Interest Groups, Workshops and Worship
It's tempting to compare this panel to the outwardly-similar interest group I convened with LizOpp and Robin M at last year's FGC Gathering. The most pronounced difference is that the interest group didn't focus on blogging but mentioned it only as a piece of our spiritual life story. Our concern was the ministry that was growing out of the blogosphere. We grounded our session in worship and as I wrote last summer, much of the talk had a feel of testimony to it.
At the Chestnut Hill Forum blogs were the focus. I'm quite qualified to talk about blogs and the internet from a purely technical and social standpoint, of course, and that's mostly what I did but it felt awkward for me. Christie touched on this when she asked a question towards the end about why my blog posts tend to have strong opinions but my presentation that day was so mild. The question has stayed with me and I think part of the difference is that the monthly Forum series is pattered after a secular educational model: it's more workshop that worship sharing. For me that kept it on a level on mechanics. I could share what's been happening on the Quaker blogosphere from a sociological standpoint but to give something approaching "testimony" would have felt out of place. Educational forums are fine and I don't want to dismiss their value but their form probably does keep the conversation at a particular level.
Contextless Forwards
In her question Christie also mentioned how certain posts of mine sometimes get forwarded around to yearly meeting staff. I consciously try to keep my blog wide-ranging, as a way to give readers a way to know the person behind the blog. I know what I write can sometimes be challenging. I know too that it's easy to dismiss challenges by taking statements out of context in such a way that the messenger can be parodied as some sort of other who can be safely ignored. Regular readers will hopefully catch the love that undergirds everything I write (my goal at least) and will understand the balance I try to keep between liberal and traditional Quakerism. But it's good to remember that some people only reading certain posts: I might want to take care to represent myself completely in everything post I write, even if it's only a disclaimer.
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Enough for now, I've got to wake up the baby from his nap. It was great to visit Chestnut Hill, where I've never worshiped before. It was quite refreshing to be a meeting where there's lots of parents and families. It was nice to meet the other bloggers and have a chance to talk about Friends and blogging to a new audience. Thanks to Amey for organizing it, my dear friend Thomas for tech'ing it up and to everyone who came and participated.
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Hi Martin! You can call me Julie. My surname is unusual, so that's why I (mostly) keep it off my site.
Thanks for the recap. It was a pleasure meeting you and being on the panel with you. And the cool thing with blogs is that the conversation can continue.
Keeping this short, but I am shocked - SHOCKED! that you'd actually wake a sleeping baby. Sacrilege!
Sometimes I wonder if I show too little concern for privacy in my blog (though I do try to avoid naming people who aren't public figures for the most part, cloak the identity of children somewhat, and say very little about work unless it's either pretty generic or already in the news).
I have a very vocal job, I'm a DJ, I've had a stalker, and I have a website and two blogs.
When I first went on line my daughter counciled me to keep my identity secret. For the most part I have done just that. I tend to use my family's online identies, but I, unfortunately am an easy person to google because of my job. So I try to be vague about a lot of things. The longer I am on the web, the more vague I become.
I've been online a long time. Initially (we're talking early 80s), people were incredibly open about personal matters. Even in the early 90s, most folks on Usenet were not particularly concerned about privacy issues.
It was only after the web became big in the late 90s that a lot of people started to realize that online discussions could be forever and so maybe they'd better be a little more circumspect.
I still use my real name. I don't generally use my children's names on anything that is publicly archived (yahoogroups, my blog) and I don't post my street address or phone number. Other than that, I'm willing to share fairly freely. I don't see the point of open communication unless we use it to talk about our authentic experience, and I think that I should stand behind my views with my name.
But I'm a person who posted my birth stories on the web starting in 1995. I decided that it was an important witness, and I've had evidence that it is.
And, Lynn, I remember you from somewhere on Usenet back in the day.
The question has stayed with me and I think part of the difference is that the monthly Forum series is pattered after a secular educational model: it’s more workshop that worship sharing.
This was my experience, too, during the recent Adult Ed program that I participated in: the atmosphere around these programs has been more of discussion than ministry; more of conversation than worship.
And about my "Opp" last name on the 'net: my older brother works in the computer security business, so I have his voice in my head about internet privacy, etc.
I suppose I simply will be slower than others to offer my full name, though I do think about doing so...
I'm glad someone was able to get you back in the face-to-face conversation, too, and I'll miss your presence and fire at Gathering.
Blessings,
Liz Opp, The Good Raised Up