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		By: Web design London		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with those who say that outward appearance reflects what is inside. What we wear is always a message that we send to others, and it always effects in some way on how we are evaluated. Today&#039;s fashion emphasizes sexuality, &quot;boldness&quot; and financial success. All these are things that I oppose. Instead, I wish my dress to proclaim that my values are different: dignity, love for wisdom, self-respect and importance of inner beauty. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with those who say that outward appearance reflects what is inside. What we wear is always a message that we send to others, and it always effects in some way on how we are evaluated. Today’s fashion emphasizes sexuality, “boldness” and financial success. All these are things that I oppose. Instead, I wish my dress to proclaim that my values are different: dignity, love for wisdom, self-respect and importance of inner beauty.&nbsp;</p>
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		By: Verymerrymarie		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/avoiding_plain_dress_designer/#comment-194527</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.quakerranter.org/avoiding_plain_dress_designer/#comment-221&quot;&gt;bo bo&lt;/a&gt;.

I dress plain, very plain. I have never been the focus of attention because I dress plainly in a way that fits in.  Examble:  During the cold winter I wear simple tailored long sleeved dresses in a wool blend of a solid color, slightly below the calf, with black tights and flat well kept loafers or pumps, with no bling of any kind.   I work in a law office.  My hair is always pulled back into a neat bun, and I do wear colorless lip gloss and keep my brows neat.  Good grooming is not counter to plainess.  In the warmer weather I wear solid color shifts with a gauzy elbow lenth t shirt underneath or a solid color very plain shift type dress with quarter length sleeves in a summer fabric  that has a bit of integrity.  One does not have to go about in flour sack type prairie dresses to be plain. All of my dresses have invisible zippers.  I do not use buttons in any form as I like to honor those who are gone and eschewed buttons as at that time they were usually expensive and decorative.  I also don&#039;t loose a minute of this good life over missing buttons.
Being plain has been noticed, but very rarily.  It usually takes the form of being asked why I don&#039;t wear a wedding ring, even though I am married.  I can explain in two small sentinces and everyone gets it.
When one is not concerned about picking out clothing from the excessive plethora of mostly idiotic and vulgar design, one has a lot more time for issues that are of useful importance, such as fundraising for worthy causes, which is my case, and being on useful committees.  Dignity is another nice benefit of dressing plainly, along with respect.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/avoiding_plain_dress_designer/#comment-221">bo bo</a>.</p>
<p>I dress plain, very plain. I have never been the focus of attention because I dress plainly in a way that fits in.  Examble:  During the cold winter I wear simple tailored long sleeved dresses in a wool blend of a solid color, slightly below the calf, with black tights and flat well kept loafers or pumps, with no bling of any kind.   I work in a law office.  My hair is always pulled back into a neat bun, and I do wear colorless lip gloss and keep my brows neat.  Good grooming is not counter to plainess.  In the warmer weather I wear solid color shifts with a gauzy elbow lenth t shirt underneath or a solid color very plain shift type dress with quarter length sleeves in a summer fabric  that has a bit of integrity.  One does not have to go about in flour sack type prairie dresses to be plain. All of my dresses have invisible zippers.  I do not use buttons in any form as I like to honor those who are gone and eschewed buttons as at that time they were usually expensive and decorative.  I also don’t loose a minute of this good life over missing buttons.<br>
Being plain has been noticed, but very rarily.  It usually takes the form of being asked why I don’t wear a wedding ring, even though I am married.  I can explain in two small sentinces and everyone gets it.<br>
When one is not concerned about picking out clothing from the excessive plethora of mostly idiotic and vulgar design, one has a lot more time for issues that are of useful importance, such as fundraising for worthy causes, which is my case, and being on useful committees.  Dignity is another nice benefit of dressing plainly, along with respect.  </p>
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		By: Schilderesje		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was in Chicago this summer and saw a group of Amish women and their children in plain dress. they came to me as modern women of today, the only difference are their clothes. I find their clothes attractive because it is simple and shows people that clothes are only a shell. I do not see it as a uniform but as a statement, something that Muslim women also choose here in the Netherlands, wearing a headscarf a major debate. I think it has little to do with religion but it has to do with tolerance compared with others groups.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Chicago this summer and saw a group of Amish women and their children in plain dress. they came to me as modern women of today, the only difference are their clothes. I find their clothes attractive because it is simple and shows people that clothes are only a shell. I do not see it as a uniform but as a statement, something that Muslim women also choose here in the Netherlands, wearing a headscarf a major debate. I think it has little to do with religion but it has to do with tolerance compared with others groups.</p>
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		By: katvalente		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I consider plain dress to be dress that is aligned with the testimonies of simplicity and moderation. I buy as much of my clothing (and other household items) as I can from thrift stores. In that way, I am keeping an item that took physical, human and energy resources in circulation, rather than bringing another item into our already over-crowded world and using fresh resources to produce it. I buy simple, well made clothes which I then take care of so they will last even longer. A &quot;plain&quot; dress that costs $300 or was made in a sweat shop is not in keeping with my understanding of the testimonies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider plain dress to be dress that is aligned with the testimonies of simplicity and moderation. I buy as much of my clothing (and other household items) as I can from thrift stores. In that way, I am keeping an item that took physical, human and energy resources in circulation, rather than bringing another item into our already over-crowded world and using fresh resources to produce it. I buy simple, well made clothes which I then take care of so they will last even longer. A “plain” dress that costs $300 or was made in a sweat shop is not in keeping with my understanding of the testimonies.</p>
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		By: Dior Sunglasses		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/avoiding_plain_dress_designer/#comment-194303</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i never like plain dress ever coz it looks lonely and not attractive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never like plain dress ever coz it looks lonely and not attractive.</p>
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		By: The Revd. oonagh Ryan-King		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have, I think, THE MOST respect for Quakers and Mennonites because of their social justice work. We lived in the Republic of Panama for three years and AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I will NEVER, EVER live anyplace without Quakers, Mennonites, Jesuits, and without a gay bar closer than 4.5 hours!

And I canNOT wrap my brain around a social justice person shopping at Wal-Mart. I know, I HAVE been known to actually SHOP at a WM but ONLY because of something that was a necessity and I had burned up more than 1/2 tank of gas searching for particular item. I even have a tshirt dress that says, &quot;As a Xan, I oppose the labor practices of W-M; I am here today because I could find it nowhere else and it is important that I get this item NOW.&quot;  Like when something plumbing wise breaks at 3AM and WM&#039;s the only thing open and the bathroom and house are going to flood.... or the grandbaby has a fever and a tepid spongebath won&#039;t keep it down and it&#039;s not high enough to go to the doctor and the closest 24 Whatever RX is ten miles away and WM is 4 minutes. 

I am not a Quaker ONLY because I love liturgy. And now we&#039;re back in the US and in MS (Mississippi) where the only known and proclaimed Quakers are in Starkville and Oxford (both huge university towns) and no one will respond to my emails because even though I&#039;m a priest, sometimes I really NEED a meeting. 

I wear a LOT of plain dress because I find it beautiful. There are patterns. I can make them. And they fit. If my clothing is NOT plain dress specifically, then it&#039;s pretty plain. I&#039;ve always liked a simple look, not simple in a bad way, but simple in a good way. AND dressing plain and simple CHANGES one; especially if one is using a Quaker/Plain/Mennonite pattern. It does good stuff to me spiritually, so that making clothing becomes a sacred meditation, like making vestments. In fact I tweaked a plain pattern for my clerical dress with a collar. I LOVE fabulous fabric and every 3rd year, if I find something on supersale and fabulous, fabric-wise, I buy it and make another plain dress. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have, I think, THE MOST respect for Quakers and Mennonites because of their social justice work. We lived in the Republic of Panama for three years and AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, I will NEVER, EVER live anyplace without Quakers, Mennonites, Jesuits, and without a gay bar closer than 4.5 hours!</p>
<p>And I canNOT wrap my brain around a social justice person shopping at Wal-Mart. I know, I HAVE been known to actually SHOP at a WM but ONLY because of something that was a necessity and I had burned up more than 1/2 tank of gas searching for particular item. I even have a tshirt dress that says, “As a Xan, I oppose the labor practices of W‑M; I am here today because I could find it nowhere else and it is important that I get this item NOW.”  Like when something plumbing wise breaks at 3AM and WM’s the only thing open and the bathroom and house are going to flood.… or the grandbaby has a fever and a tepid spongebath won’t keep it down and it’s not high enough to go to the doctor and the closest 24 Whatever RX is ten miles away and WM is 4 minutes. </p>
<p>I am not a Quaker ONLY because I love liturgy. And now we’re back in the US and in MS (Mississippi) where the only known and proclaimed Quakers are in Starkville and Oxford (both huge university towns) and no one will respond to my emails because even though I’m a priest, sometimes I really NEED a meeting. </p>
<p>I wear a LOT of plain dress because I find it beautiful. There are patterns. I can make them. And they fit. If my clothing is NOT plain dress specifically, then it’s pretty plain. I’ve always liked a simple look, not simple in a bad way, but simple in a good way. AND dressing plain and simple CHANGES one; especially if one is using a Quaker/Plain/Mennonite pattern. It does good stuff to me spiritually, so that making clothing becomes a sacred meditation, like making vestments. In fact I tweaked a plain pattern for my clerical dress with a collar. I LOVE fabulous fabric and every 3rd year, if I find something on supersale and fabulous, fabric-wise, I buy it and make another plain dress. </p>
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		By: Rebekah Walton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would love to wear plain long dresses. And I understand the importance of being modest. I try to be modest wearing the longest skirts I have with me to church. They are not ankle length but they are not too short like those fancy skirts most kids wear now.They are about kneel length. Do you know wear I could get some dressses or skirts that are about to my feet? rebekah_28@hotmail.com
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to wear plain long dresses. And I understand the importance of being modest. I try to be modest wearing the longest skirts I have with me to church. They are not ankle length but they are not too short like those fancy skirts most kids wear now.They are about kneel length. Do you know wear I could get some dressses or skirts that are about to my feet? <a href="mailto:rebekah_28@hotmail.com">rebekah_28@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		By: Steve Nabazas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have lived my life in a secular environment.  My best friend passed away last year.  He was against materialism.  It was his personal philosopy, not tied to a religion.  He believed in God.  He had been ill for years.  He was too proud to take aid.  In his final years he died in poverty and homeless.
For years I have neither worn a belt and rarely a tie.  It was the way I was most comfortable dressing.
Recently I decided it made no sense to buy pants with belt loops.  The only place I could find the style I wanted was re-enactment community and people that dressed plain.
After living with and working with the homeless and recent events in world events I am taking a pacifist leaning in my thoughts.  I am a bit shocked that people have no problem buying from companies they know use child labor or slave labor for the sake of fashion.
I believe family business and cottage industry is more honest and virtuous form of business structure.  Corporate structures think nothing of putting people in harms way or making decisions that they know will harm children and seniors.
In my search for clothing that suited my tastes I realized that even though I could get clothing that suited my needs from re-enactors I did not wish to glorify wars.  Past or present.  I have been drawn more and more to those that dress plain.  This does sometimes draw attention to myself.  I am not really comfortable with this.  So yes, plain dress can draw as much attention to a person as dress that is not modest.  I think dressing outside of any of society&#039;s &quot;norms&quot; whatever they may be will bring the risk of attention.  It may or may not be wanted.  I think that is the key.  Is the style of dress reflecting a love of God and your fellow man?
I am not trying to be plain, Amish, Mennonite, Quaker, Shaker or anything else.  I am trying to be me.  I have found these clothes wear well, seem good for most occasions, are comfortable, and make a statement of MY personal beliefs.  I know an adult made them and was paid a fair compensation and paid taxes into his or her community and supported the youth of their community.
In studying the ways of these groups I have learned volumes.  They are not plain and simple.  The technology is sophisticated and ingenious.  It serves a purpose and is in general in balance with nature and society.
I always try not to wear all plain clothes because I am not of that community.  If I wear a few selected items I feel I am making a statement of thanks.  It is a salute to them and the contribution they make to our community and our conscience.  To wear all plain clothing I feel I may offend someone I admire very much.  I don&#039;t wish to do that or make them think I am mocking them.
More and more I am slowly learning to make and repair my own.  I am becoming more self sufficient by a study of these methods.  If we rely more on ourselves and our community there is less chance of conflict.  Especially when we enter into trade with cultures that are different than ours that are hard to understand.
Possibly I am just growing older.  When I see young men and women in the latest fashions followed by men and women that dress plain, somehow the latter group looks much better.  It is better to carry your riches in your heart than on your clothing.
With respect
Steve Nabazas
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived my life in a secular environment.  My best friend passed away last year.  He was against materialism.  It was his personal philosopy, not tied to a religion.  He believed in God.  He had been ill for years.  He was too proud to take aid.  In his final years he died in poverty and homeless.<br>
For years I have neither worn a belt and rarely a tie.  It was the way I was most comfortable dressing.<br>
Recently I decided it made no sense to buy pants with belt loops.  The only place I could find the style I wanted was re-enactment community and people that dressed plain.<br>
After living with and working with the homeless and recent events in world events I am taking a pacifist leaning in my thoughts.  I am a bit shocked that people have no problem buying from companies they know use child labor or slave labor for the sake of fashion.<br>
I believe family business and cottage industry is more honest and virtuous form of business structure.  Corporate structures think nothing of putting people in harms way or making decisions that they know will harm children and seniors.<br>
In my search for clothing that suited my tastes I realized that even though I could get clothing that suited my needs from re-enactors I did not wish to glorify wars.  Past or present.  I have been drawn more and more to those that dress plain.  This does sometimes draw attention to myself.  I am not really comfortable with this.  So yes, plain dress can draw as much attention to a person as dress that is not modest.  I think dressing outside of any of society’s “norms” whatever they may be will bring the risk of attention.  It may or may not be wanted.  I think that is the key.  Is the style of dress reflecting a love of God and your fellow man?<br>
I am not trying to be plain, Amish, Mennonite, Quaker, Shaker or anything else.  I am trying to be me.  I have found these clothes wear well, seem good for most occasions, are comfortable, and make a statement of MY personal beliefs.  I know an adult made them and was paid a fair compensation and paid taxes into his or her community and supported the youth of their community.<br>
In studying the ways of these groups I have learned volumes.  They are not plain and simple.  The technology is sophisticated and ingenious.  It serves a purpose and is in general in balance with nature and society.<br>
I always try not to wear all plain clothes because I am not of that community.  If I wear a few selected items I feel I am making a statement of thanks.  It is a salute to them and the contribution they make to our community and our conscience.  To wear all plain clothing I feel I may offend someone I admire very much.  I don’t wish to do that or make them think I am mocking them.<br>
More and more I am slowly learning to make and repair my own.  I am becoming more self sufficient by a study of these methods.  If we rely more on ourselves and our community there is less chance of conflict.  Especially when we enter into trade with cultures that are different than ours that are hard to understand.<br>
Possibly I am just growing older.  When I see young men and women in the latest fashions followed by men and women that dress plain, somehow the latter group looks much better.  It is better to carry your riches in your heart than on your clothing.<br>
With respect<br>
Steve Nabazas</p>
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