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		By: Dale Dewar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes there&#039;s the &quot;wheat from the chaff&quot; issue that plagues Quakerdom.  Oftentimes we are so anxious for new members that we don&#039;t discuss or warn them about boundary issues.  For eg - just because someone has something that has kept them awake for nights on end doesn&#039;t mean that it is a &quot;leading&quot; - it could be an obsessive idea which definitely doesn&#039;t carry the same spiritual context.  Just because someone has had a near death experience, doesn&#039;t mean that they have been elevated to a higher spiritual level.  New participants to the Quaker process should be acquainted with this difference - which posses a new challenge.......how many of us are in the position that we can discern between what is &quot;movement of the Spirit&quot; and what is &quot;pressure of speech&quot;?

There are all kinds of challenges that can arise - what about the early dementia member whose condition is such that you really can&#039;t tell the entire meeting in spite of the behaviour being disruptive. 

For example:  I find much of the post titled &quot;Conflict in Meeting&quot; very interesting but tedious in length.  Pressure of speech?   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes there’s the “wheat from the chaff” issue that plagues Quakerdom.  Oftentimes we are so anxious for new members that we don’t discuss or warn them about boundary issues.  For eg — just because someone has something that has kept them awake for nights on end doesn’t mean that it is a “leading” — it could be an obsessive idea which definitely doesn’t carry the same spiritual context.  Just because someone has had a near death experience, doesn’t mean that they have been elevated to a higher spiritual level.  New participants to the Quaker process should be acquainted with this difference — which posses a new challenge.……how many of us are in the position that we can discern between what is “movement of the Spirit” and what is “pressure of speech”?</p>
<p>There are all kinds of challenges that can arise — what about the early dementia member whose condition is such that you really can’t tell the entire meeting in spite of the behaviour being disruptive. </p>
<p>For example:  I find much of the post titled “Conflict in Meeting” very interesting but tedious in length.  Pressure of speech?   </p>
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		By: isis1769		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[God Bless you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God Bless you!</p>
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		By: Marshall Massey (Iowa YM [C])		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marshall Massey (Iowa YM [C])]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do believe there are genuine reasons why the Bible-thumping Evangelical Friends have always been a different lot from the Spirit-led Conservative Friends. They involve two different ways of understanding and practicing, and understanding and practicing in one way tends to take you in a different direction, and lead you to different modes of relating to other people and to the world, from practicing in the other way. I doubt that even first-generation Christians did both.

I also think there are multiple meanings of &quot;integrity&quot;, and the most common meaning — &quot;being true to yourself&quot; — is not very compatible with organized religion, which demands that we let go a little from ourselves in order to be with others.

The word &quot;integrity&quot; comes from the Latin word &lt;i&gt;integer&lt;/i&gt;, which means &quot;complete&quot;, &quot;undivided&quot;, or &quot;whole&quot;. The type of integrity that is taught in scripture, and encouraged by Christ in our hearts and consciences, has more to do with not dividing ourselves from other people by means of games and falsehoods — making the community complete and whole by our own fufilment of our duties toward it — and only by implication refers to not dividing ourselves from factual honesty in our dealings with others. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; kind of integrity is &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; compatible with organized religion, because it is precisely &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; kind of integrity that drives us to stick with a congregation even when the congregation is being difficult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe there are genuine reasons why the Bible-thumping Evangelical Friends have always been a different lot from the Spirit-led Conservative Friends. They involve two different ways of understanding and practicing, and understanding and practicing in one way tends to take you in a different direction, and lead you to different modes of relating to other people and to the world, from practicing in the other way. I doubt that even first-generation Christians did both.</p>
<p>I also think there are multiple meanings of “integrity”, and the most common meaning — “being true to yourself” — is not very compatible with organized religion, which demands that we let go a little from ourselves in order to be with others.</p>
<p>The word “integrity” comes from the Latin word <i>integer</i>, which means “complete”, “undivided”, or “whole”. The type of integrity that is taught in scripture, and encouraged by Christ in our hearts and consciences, has more to do with not dividing ourselves from other people by means of games and falsehoods — making the community complete and whole by our own fufilment of our duties toward it — and only by implication refers to not dividing ourselves from factual honesty in our dealings with others. <i>That</i> kind of integrity is <i>very</i> compatible with organized religion, because it is precisely <i>that</i> kind of integrity that drives us to stick with a congregation even when the congregation is being difficult.</p>
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		By: Ashley W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ashley W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to suggest my meeting as &quot;a place in the quakers for a  Plain Dressing, Bible Thumping, Gospel Preaching, Evangelical, Conservative, Spirit Led, Charismatic family.&quot;  You probably won&#039;t find anyone exactly fitting that description at Freedom Friends Church (www.freedomfriends.org), but you would be welcome!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to suggest my meeting as “a place in the quakers for a  Plain Dressing, Bible Thumping, Gospel Preaching, Evangelical, Conservative, Spirit Led, Charismatic family.”  You probably won’t find anyone exactly fitting that description at Freedom Friends Church (www.freedomfriends.org), but you would be welcome!</p>
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