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		<title>Talking like a Quaker: does anyone really care about schism anymore?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on my design blog I’ve just posted an article, Banking on reputations, which looks at how the websites for high-profile cultural institutions are often built without regard to natural web publicity–there’s no focus on net culture or search engine visibility. The sites do get visited, but only because of the reputation of the institution [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on my <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/blog/">design blog</a> I’ve just posted an article, <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/blog/2007/09/banking_on_reputations.php">Banking on reputations</a>, which looks at how the websites for high-profile cultural institutions are often built without regard to natural web publicity–there’s no focus on net culture or search engine visibility. The sites do get visited, but only because of the reputation of the institution itself. My guess is that people go to them for very specific functions (looking up a phone number, ordering tickets, etc.). I finish by asking the question, “Are the audiences of high brow institutions so full of hip young audiences that they can steer clear of web-centric marketing?”</p>
<p>I won’t belabor the point, but I wonder if something similar is happening within Friends. It’s kind of weird that only two people have commented on Johan Maurer’s <a href="http://johanpdx.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-is-really-wrong-with-fum-part-two.html">blog post about Baltimore Yearly Meeting’s report</a> on Friends United Meeting. Johan’s post may well be the only place where online discussion about this particular report is available. I gave a <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/baltimore_and_fum_from_sessions_to_the_static_web_to_interactive_discussion.php">plug for it</a> and it was the most popular link from <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/">QuakerQuaker</a>, so I know people are seeing it. The larger issue is dealt with elsewhere (Bill Samuel has a particularly <a href="http://www.quakerinfo.com/fum.shtml">useful resource page</a>) but Johan’s piece seems to be getting a big yawn.</p>
<p>It’s been superseded as the most popular QuakerQuaker link by a lighthearted call for an <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/quakers/237429.html">International Talk Like a Quaker Day</a> put up by a Livejournal blogger. It’s fun but it’s about as serious as you might expect. It’s getting picked up on a number of blogs, has more links than Johan’s piece and at current count has thirteen commenters. I think it’s a great way to poke a little fun of ourselves and think about outreach and I’m happy to link to it but I have to think there’s a lesson in its popularity vis-a-vis Johan’s post.</p>
<p>Here’s the inevitable question: do most Quakers just not care about Friends United Meeting or Baltimore Yearly Meeting, about a modern day culture clash that is but a few degrees from boiling over into full-scale institutional schism? For all my bravado I’m as much an institutional Quaker as anyone else. I care about our denominational politics but do others, and do they really?</p>
<p>Yearly meeting sessions and more entertainment-focused Quaker gatherings are lucky if they get three to five percent attendance. The governing body of my yearly meeting is made up of about one percent of its membership; add a percent or two or three and you have how many people actually pay any kind of attention to it or to yearly meeting politics. A few years ago a Quaker publisher commissioned a prominent Friend to write an update to liberal Friends’ most widely read introductory book and she mangled the whole thing (down to a totally made-up acronym for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_World_Committee_for_Consultation">FWCC</a>) and no one noticed till after publication–even insiders don’t care about most of this!</p>
<p>Are the bulk of most contemporary Friends post-institutional? The percentage of Friends involved in the work of our religious bodies has perhaps always been small, but the divide seems more striking now that the internet is providing competition. The big Quaker institutions skate on being recognized as official bodies but if their participation rate is low, their recognition factor small, and their ability to influence the Quaker culture therefore minimal, then are they really so important? After six years of marriage I can hear my wife’s question as a Quaker-turned-Catholic: where does the religious authority of these bodies come from? As someone who sees the world through a sociological/historical perspective, my question is complementary but somewhat different: if so few people care, then is there authority? The only time I see Friends close to tears over any of this is when<br>
a schism might mean the loss of control over a beloved school or campground–factor out<br>
the sentimental factor and what’s left?</p>
<p>I don’t think a diminishing influence is a positive trend, but it won’t go away if we bury our heads in the sand (or in committees). How are today’s generation of Friends going to deal with changing cultural forces that are threatening to undermine our current practices? And how might we use the new opportunities to advance the Quaker message and Christ’s agenda?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[As we got onto the campus of UMass Amherst to help set up for this year’s FGC Gathering, Julie &#38; I realized that this is the first time we’ve been to this venue since we started plain dressing (last year we stayed home since Julie was very pregnant). FGC Friends tend to turn to the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img decoding="async" src="/pics/7-3-04.gif" alt align="right">As we got onto the campus of UMass Amherst to help set up for this year’s FGC Gathering, Julie &amp; I realized that this is the first time we’ve been to this venue since we started plain dressing (last year we stayed home since Julie was <em>very</em> pregnant). FGC Friends tend to turn to the Lands End catalog for sartorial inspiration. Hippie culture is another font, both directly as tie-die shirts and in muted form as the tasteful fair-trade clothes that many older Friends prefer. Because the Gathering takes place in July and in sporadically air-conditioned buildings, people also dress for summer camp–khaki shorts &amp; once colorful faded t‑shirts are the de facto Gathering uniform. In this setting, just wearing long pants is cause for comment (“aren’t you hot like that?!”) Try broadfalls and a long-sleeve collarless shirt, or a long dress!</p>
<p>So I’ve decided to write down all the conversations or questions I get about my dress this week. I should mention that I actually prefer curious questions to the strange staring I sometimes get. So here we go:</p>
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<li>While ringing up a Gathering store order: someone I’ve known for years asked me whether my clothing was “a theological statement or if it was just comfortable.”</li>
<li>While troubleshooting the store computers and answering a cellphone call from the office: compared to a literary character named “Cosmic Possum,” who was described to me as someone able to seemlessly live in both the past and modern world (at the time the reference was made I was working two computers and taking a cell phone call.</li>
<li>Walking by the dining hall, an older Friend called out “Looks good!” I said “Huh?”, he replied “that’s a good outfit!”</li>
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<p>Monday:</p>
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<li>“Nice outfit” again, this time from Nils P. As soon as he said it I warned him that I was keeping this log and that he should expect to see himself in it.</li>
<li>I talked a little bit about dress with a friend from Baltimore Yearly Meeting, a gay Friend involved with FLGCQBC who is identifying more and more as conservative and thinking about going plain. One concern he raised was avoiding sweatshop labor. (I pointed out that plain dress is a cottage industry and that the seamstresses are usually local and believers.) He also doesn’t want to look “like a farmer” as he walks around the city of Baltimore. (I talked about how I have limits as to how plain I go and don’t want this to be a historical outfit but one which people might actually be able to see themselves adopting. I also talked about how I still want to identify on some level with urban anarchist culture, which has a sort of plain aesthetic.)</li>
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<p>Tuesday:</p>
<ul>
<li>An extended conversation with a bookstore customer from California. She began by asking if I’m doing plain dress for the same reasons as another plain dresser here, who I’ve seen but not met yet. We began talking about motivations and what it’s like and how it is for women, especially who lead active lives. I talked about my wife’s Julie’s practice, which includes leotards when she’s working at a gymnastics coach. We also talked about different kinds of QuakersIt was a great conversation.</li>
<li>While sitting on a bookstore couch blogging: “You’re looking very distinguished here, with facial hair and susspenders. Is this what married life does? You’re looking very Quakerly. Does thee also have a hat?”</li>
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<p>Wednesday</p>
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<li>I spent sick mostly in bed…</li>
<li>I did have a brief, fever-fed conversation with some of the other plain dressing youths and soon-to-be plain dressing youth. It’s not about dress, but about being Quaker and about how we live as Friends.</li>
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<p>Thursday:</p>
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<li>I had an extended conversation with a couple who run the Equal Exchange table about plain dress, Gohn Brothers catalog and avoiding sweatshop-made clothing for union-made clothing. There’s a lot of people interested in this and the issues really connect with simplicity and justice issues.</li>
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