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		<title>Elizabeth Spiers on Early Blogging</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2025 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She describes a different time, indeed. Early blogging was slower, less beholden to the hourly news cycle, and people were more inclined to talk about personal enthusiasms as well as what was going on in the world because blogs were considered an individual enterprise, not necessarily akin to a regular publication. I appreciate her comments [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She <a href="https://www.elizabethspiers.com/requiem-for-early-blogging/">describes a different time</a>, indeed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Early blogging was slower, less beholden to the hourly news cycle, and people were more inclined to talk about personal enthusiasms as well as what was going on in the world because blogs were considered an individual enterprise, not necessarily akin to a regular publication.</p></blockquote>
<p>I appreciate her comments on invested readers. The number of people who were part of the “Quaker blogosphere” back in day was not that large but something about the crucible of the writing and debating meant that they developed ideas that have outsized influence today. The same sorts of conversations continue to happen today in corners of Facebook, Reddit, and Discord but there’s not the same sort of feeling of shared community.</p>
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		<title>Listening in on our Quaker conversations</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2015 00:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On Twitter earlier today, Jay T asked “Didn’t u or someone once write about how Q’s behave on blogs &#38; other soc. media? Can’t find it on Qranter or via Google. Thx!” Jay subsequently found a great piece&#160;from Robin Mohr circa 2008 but I kept remembering an description of blogging I had written in the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/QuakerQuaker_org__Welcome_to_the_Quaker_Conversation1.jpg?ssl=1"><img data-recalc-dims="1" fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignright wp-image-37975 size-medium" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/QuakerQuaker_org__Welcome_to_the_Quaker_Conversation1.jpg?resize=300%2C251&#038;ssl=1" alt width="300" height="251" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/QuakerQuaker_org__Welcome_to_the_Quaker_Conversation1.jpg?resize=300%2C251&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/QuakerQuaker_org__Welcome_to_the_Quaker_Conversation1.jpg?w=524&amp;ssl=1 524w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px"></a>On Twitter earlier today, <a href="https://twitter.com/MrJThatch/status/603995143775997952">Jay T asked</a> “Didn’t u or someone once write about how Q’s behave on blogs &amp; other soc. media? Can’t find it on Qranter or via Google. Thx!” Jay subsequently found a <a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2008/05/blogging-as-ministry.html">great piece</a>&nbsp;from Robin Mohr circa 2008 but I kept remembering an description of blogging I had written in the earliest days of the blogosphere. It didn’t show up on my blog or via a Google search and then I hit up the wonderful Internet Archive.org Wayback Machine. The original two paragraph description of <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a> is not easily accessible <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060104101913/http://quakerquaker.org/">outside of Archive.org</a> but it’s nice to uncover it&nbsp;again and give it a little sunlight:</p>
<blockquote><p>Quakerism is an experiential religion: we believe we should “let our lives speak” and we stay away from creeds and doctrinal statements. The best way to learn what Quakers believe is through listening in on our conversations.</p>
<p>In the last few years, dozens of Quakers have begun sharing stories, frustrations, hopes and dreams for our religious society through blogs. The conversations have been amazing. There’s a palpable sense of renewal and excitement. QuakerQuaker is a daily index to that conversation.</p></blockquote>
<p>I still like it as a distinctly Quaker philosophy of outreach.</p>
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		<title>Reach up high, clear off the dust, time to get started</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It’s been a fascinating education learning about institutional Catholicism these past few weeks. I won’t reveal how and what I know, but I think I have a good picture of the culture inside the bishop’s inner circle and I’m pretty sure I understand his long-term agenda. The current lightening-fast closure of sixty-some churches is the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s been a fascinating education learning about institutional Catholicism these past few weeks. I won’t reveal how and what I know, but I think I have a good picture of the culture inside the bishop’s inner circle and I’m pretty sure I understand his long-term agenda. The current lightening-fast closure of sixty-some churches is the first step of an ambitious plan; manufactured priest shortages and soon-to-be overcrowded churches will be used to justify even more radical changes. In about twenty years time, the 125 churches that exist today will have been sold off. What’s left of a half million faithful will be herded into a dozen or so mega-churches, with theology borrowed from generic liberalism, style from feel-good evangelicalism, and organization from consultant culture.</p>
<p>When diocesan officials come by to read this blog (and they do now), they will smile at that last sentence and nod their heads approvingly. The conspiracy is real.</p>
<p>But I don’t want to talk about Catholicism again. Let’s talk Quakers instead, why not? I should be in some meeting for worship right now anyway. Julie left Friends and returned to the faith of her upbringing after eleven years with us because she wanted a religious community that shared a basic faith and that wasn’t afraid to talk about that faith as a corporate “we.” It seems that Catholicism won’t be able to offer that in a few years. Will she run then run off to the Eastern Orthodox church? For that matter should I be running off to the Mennonites? See though, the problem is that the same issues will face us wherever we try to go. It’s modernism, baby. No focused and authentic faith seems to be safe from the Forces of the Bland. Lord help us.</p>
<p>We can blog the questions of course. Why would someone who dislikes Catholic culture and wants to dismantle its infrastructure become a priest and a career bureaucrat? For that matter why do so many people want to call themselves Quakers when they can’t stand basic Quaker theology? If I wanted lots of comments I could go on blah-blah-blah, but ultimately the question is futile and beyond my figuring.</p>
<p>Another piece to this issue came in some questions Wess Daniels sent around to me and a few others this past week in preparation for his <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2008/05/21/presenting-on-convergent-friends-at-fahe-in-june/">upcoming presentation at Woodbrooke</a>. He asked about how a particular Quaker institution did or did not represent or might or might not be able to contain the so-called “Convergent” Friends movement. I don’t want to bust on anyone so I won’t name the organization. Let’s just say that like pretty much all Quaker bureaucracies it’s inward-focused, shallow in its public statements, slow to take initiative and more or less irrelevant to any campaign to gather a great people. A more successful Quaker bureaucracy I could name seems to be doing well in fundraising but is doing less and less with more and more staff and seems more interested in donor-focused hype than long-term program implementation.</p>
<p>One enemy of the faith is bureaucracy. Real leadership has been replaced by consultants and fundraisers. Financial and staffing crises–real and created–are used to justify a watering down of the message. Programs are driven by donor money rather than clear need and when real work might require controversy, it’s tabled for the facade of feel-goodism. Quaker readers who think I’m talking about Quakers: no I’m talking about Catholics. Catholic readers who think I’m talking about Catholics: no, I’m talking about Quakers. My point is that these forces are tearing down religiosity all over. Some cheer this development on. I think it’s evil at work, the Tempter using our leader’s desires for position and respect and our the desires of our laity’s (for lack of a better word) to trust and think the best of its leaders.</p>
<p>So where does that leave us? I’m tired of thinking that maybe if I try one more Quaker meeting I’ll find the community where I can practice and deepen my faith as a Christian Friend. I’m stumped. That first batch of Friends knew this feeling: Fox and the Peningtons and all the rest talked about isolation and about religious professionals who were in it for the career. I know from the blogosphere and from countless one-on-one conversations that there are a lot of us–a lot–who either drift away or stay in meetings out of a sense of guilt.</p>
<p>So what would a spiritual community for these outsider Friends look like? If we had real vision rather than donor vision, what would our structures look like? If we let the generic churches go off to out-compete one other to see who can be the blandest, what would be left for the rest of us to do?</p>
<p><a href="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/20080608-xcjchpscnwekhsh85kg2hr7nbf.preview.jpg?ssl=1"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/20080608-xcjchpscnwekhsh85kg2hr7nbf.preview.jpg?resize=300%2C225&#038;ssl=1" alt="20080608-xcjchpscnwekhsh85kg2hr7nbf.preview" width="300" height="225" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-37562" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/20080608-xcjchpscnwekhsh85kg2hr7nbf.preview.jpg?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/20080608-xcjchpscnwekhsh85kg2hr7nbf.preview.jpg?w=380&amp;ssl=1 380w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px"></a>I guess this last paragraph is the new revised mission statement for the Quaker part of this blog. Okay kids, get a step stool, go to your meeting library, reach up high, clear away the dust and pull out volume one of “A portraiture of Quakerism: Taken from a view of the education and discipline, social manners, civil and political economy, religious principles and character, of the Society of Friends” by Thomas Clarkson. Yes the 1806 version, stop the grumbling. Get out the ribbed packing tape and put its cover back together–this isn’t the frigging Library of Congress and we’re actually going to read this thing. Don’t even waste your time checking it out in the meeting’s logbook: no one’s pulled it down off the shelf in fifty years and no one’s going to miss it now. Really stuck?, okay <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=aTc3AAAAMAAJ">Google’s got it too. </a>Class will start shortly.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels posts about Quaker theology on his blog. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering talk about FGC Quakerism. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet: “[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels posts about <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/06/03/an-apologetic-for-a-quaker-theology-do-we-need-it-or-want-it">Quaker theology on his blog</a>. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000817022309/http://www.fgcquaker.org/library/history/frost1.html">talk about FGC Quakerism</a>. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet:</p>
<blockquote><p>“[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like Jones and Cadbury were all birthright and they wrote books as well as pamphlets. Before unification, PYM Orthodox and the other Orthodox meetings produced philosophers, theologians, and Bible scholars, but now the combined yearly meetings in FGC produce weighty Friends, social activists, and earnest seekers.”<br>
…<br>
“The liberals who created the FGC had a thirst for knowledge, for linking the best in religion with the best in science, for drawing upon both to make ethical judgments. Today by becoming anti-intellectual in religion when we are well-educated we have jettisoned the impulse that created FGC, reunited yearly meetings, redefined our role in wider society, and created the modern peace testimony. The kinds of energy we now devote to meditation techniques and inner spirituality needs to be spent on philosophy, science, and Christian religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This talk was hugely influential to my wife Julie and myself. We had just met two days before and while I had developed an instant crush, Frost’s talk was the first time we sat next to one another. I realized that this might become something serious when we both laughed out loud at Jerry’s wry asides and theology jokes. We ended up walking around the campus late into the early hours talking talking talking.</p>
<p>But the talk wasn’t just the religion geek equivalent of a pick-up bar. We both responded to Frost’s call for a new generation of serious Quaker thinkers. Julie enrolled in a Religion PhD program, studying Quaker theology under Frost himself for a semester. I dove into historians like Thomas Hamm and modern thinkers like Lloyd Lee Wilson as a way to understand and articulate the implicit theology of “FGC Friends” and took independent initiatives to fill the gaps in FGC services, taking leadership in young adult program and co-leading workshops and interest groups.</p>
<p>Things didn’t turn out as we expected. I hesitate speaking for Julie but I think it’s fair enough to say that she came to the conclusion that Friends ideals and practices were unbridgable and she left Friends. I’ve documented my own setbacks and right now I’m pretty detached from formal Quaker bodies.</p>
<p>Maybe enough time hasn’t gone by yet. I’ve heard that the person sitting on Julie’s other side for that talk is now studying theology up in New England; another Friend who I suspect was nearby just started at Earlham School of Religion. I’ve called this <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">the Lost Quaker Generation</a> but at least some of its members have just been lying low. It’s hard to know whether any of these historically-informed Friends will ever help shape FGC popular culture in the way that Quaker academia influenced liberal Friends did before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Rereading Frost’s speech this afternoon it’s clear to see it as an important inspiration for <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a>. Parts of it act well as a good liberal Quaker vision for what the blogosphere has since taken to calling convergent Friends. I hope more people will stumble on Frost’s speech and be inspired, though I hope they will be careful not to tie this vision too closely with any existing institution and to remember the true source of that <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&amp;chapter=6&amp;verse=11&amp;version=kjv#11">daily bread</a>. Here’s a few more inspirational lines from Jerry:</p>
<blockquote><p>We should remember that theology can provide a foundation for unity. We ought to be smart enough to realize that any formulation of what we believe or linking faith to modern thought is a secondary activity; to paraphrase Robert Barclay, words are description of the fountain and not the stream of living water. Those who created the FGC and reunited meetings knew the possibilities and dangers of theology, but they had a confidence that truth increased possibilities.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at ten years of FGC Gathering workshops on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns. It’s kind of interesting [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at <a href="http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/reflections-on-a-decade-of-nontheism-workshops/">ten years of FGC Gathering workshops</a> on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns.</p>
<p>It’s kind of interesting to look at the process by which new theologies are being added into Liberal Quakerism at an ever-increasing rate.</p>
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<li>Membership of individuals in meetings. There are hundreds of meetings in liberal Quakerism that range all over the theological map. Add to that the widespread agreement that theological unity with the meeting is not required and just about anyone believing anything could be admitted somewhere (or “grandfathered in” as a birthright member).</li>
<li>A workshop at the <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/gathering">Friends General Conference Gathering</a> and especially a regular workshop at successive Gatherings. Yet as the very informed comments on a post a few years ago showed, <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2005/03/fgc_gathering_program_is_up_wh/">theology is not something the planning workshop committee is allowed to look&nbsp;at</a> and at least one proponent of a new theology has gotten themselves on the deciding committee. The Gathering is essentially built on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chautauqua">nondenominational Chautaqua model</a> and FGC is perfectly happy to sponsor workshops that are in apparent conflict with its own mission statement.</li>
<li>An article published in <a href="www.friendsjournal.org"><em>Friends Journal</em></a>. When the the Quaker Sweat Lodge was struggling to claim legitimacy it all but changed its name to the “Quaker Sweat Lodge as featured in the February 2002 Friends Journal.” It’s a good magazine’s job to publish articles that make people think and a smart magazine will know that articles that provoke a little controversy is good for circulation. I very much doubt the editorial team at the Journal considers its agreement to publish to be an inoculation against critique.</li>
<li>A website and listserv. Fifteen dollars at <a href="www.godaddy.com">GoDaddy.com</a> and you’ve got the web address of your dreams. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com">Yahoo Group</a> is free.</li>
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<p>There are probably other mechanisms of legitimacy. My point is not to give comprehensive guidelines to would-be campaigners. I simply want to note that none of the actors in these decisions is consciously thinking “hey, I think I’ll expand the definition of liberal Quaker theology today.” In fact I expect they’re mostly passing the buck, thinking “hey, who am I to decide anything like that.”</p>
<p>None of these decision-making processes are meant to serve as tools to dismiss opposition. The organizations involved are not handing out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprimatur">Imprimaturs</a> and would be quite horrified if they realized their agreements were being seen that way. Amy Clark, a commenter on my last post, on <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/events/2007-yfna/">this summer’s reunion and camp</a> for the once-young members of Young Friends North America, had a very interesting comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree that YFNA has become FGC: those previously involved in YFNA have taken leadership with FGC … with both positive and negative results. Well … now we have a chance to look at the legacy we are creating: do we like it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have the feeling that the current generation of liberal Quaker leadership doesn’t quite believe it’s leading liberal Quakerism. By “leadership” I don’t mean the small skim of the professional Quaker bureaucracy (whose members can get _too_ self-inflated on the leadership issue) but the committees, clerks and volunteers that get most of the work done from the local to national levels. We are the inheritors of a proud and sometimes foolish tradition and our actions are shaping its future but I don’t think we really know that. I have no clever solution to the issues I’ve outlined here but I think becoming conscious that we’re creating our own legacy is an important first step.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There have been a few recent posts about the state of the Quaker blogosphere. New blogger Richard M wrote about “Anger on the Quaker blogs”:http://quakerphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/08/anger-on-quaker-blogosphere.html and LizOpp replied back with ” Popcorn in the Q‑blogosphere?”:http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com/2006/08/popcorn-in-q-blogosphere.html. The way I see it, there’s not really much need for anger on the internet. There’s sure to be something [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few recent posts about the state of the Quaker blogosphere. New blogger Richard M wrote about “Anger on the Quaker blogs”:http://quakerphilosopher.blogspot.com/2006/08/anger-on-quaker-blogosphere.html and LizOpp replied back with ” Popcorn in the Q‑blogosphere?”:http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com/2006/08/popcorn-in-q-blogosphere.html.</p>
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The way I see it, there’s not really much need for anger on the internet. There’s sure to be something horribly offensive to your spiritual sensibilities right around the next link if only you click. Not only do we have dozens of different definitions of “Quaker,” there’s absolutely no limits over who gets to call themselves a Quaker. If we want to feel embattled or self-righteous we all have blogs we can visit, but is this really the way toward our individual or corporate spiritual growth? Is this the way to build a new movement of Friends?<br>
The web is a land of blurriness. It’s like the open vocal ministry of an unprogrammed meeting taken up a notch or three. We have the new visitors right off the street, seekers who heard about Friends on Wikipedia or Beliefnet and went instantly off to start a blog. There’s those meeting regulars with their particular issues, dare we say hang-ups, over particular topics who get bent out of shape if others minister on them. Out in the corners are the cranky meeting back-benchers, trouble-makers who don’t mind passing on third-hand gossip or spreading half-truths if it will make them the center of someone’s attention. With this kind of mix it’s no surprise there’s conflict.<br>
There will be disagreements. Many times we can share our understandings and grow but sometimes the gap is too large to bridge and we have to shrug our shoulders and agree to disagree. The boundaries of Quakerism have spread out so far that no one is ever going to agree that everyone calling themselves a Friend really has claim for the name. In past centuries this has led to nasty fights that have destroyed our communities. Nowadays we have the “Back” button. One of the disciplines we need to learn is how to use it.<br>
We don’t have to read every post and we certainly don’t need to closely follow every Quaker blog out there. We are what we eat and our Quaker blogosphere is what we let it be. If the Quaker blogs seem too angry then maybe it’s time to trim your blogroll.<br>
Trimming away annoying and time-wasting sites doesn’t mean we keep to like-minded bloggers. I don’t focus on blogs with a particular theology or ones that come out of a particular Quaker tradition. What unites my favorite blogs is the care and discernment that goes into them. These bloggers are open to those who use unfamiliar language, listening to where the words come from, and they’re curious and open to learning and tender with their comments. This is what true ministry looks like, no?<br>
_ps: If you want to confuse people, write a post with an evocative name and then take out the reference. “Wheat” comes from the “parable of the wheat and weeds”:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2013:24–30;&amp;version=31; which LizOpp introduced in the “comments of her post”:http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com/2006/08/popcorn-in-q-blogosphere.html and which I elaborated on in an earlier draft of this post._</p>
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		<title>Confusing “Quaker Faith” for God and worshipping ourselves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes my Quaker Ranter posts dry up for awhile. I console myself that I’m doing enough giving out the “daily reading list of Quaker posts”:/quaker, reading through my new old Quaker book collection (Samuel Bownas just visited the “meeting I’m attending most frequently these days”:http://www.pym.org/pym_mms/middletownpa_cdq.php!) and working my new “advancement and outreach “:www.FGCquaker.org/ao job–oh, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes my Quaker Ranter posts dry up for awhile. I console myself that I’m doing enough giving out the “daily reading list of Quaker posts”:/quaker, reading through my new old Quaker book collection (Samuel Bownas just visited the “meeting I’m attending most frequently these days”:http://www.pym.org/pym_mms/middletownpa_cdq.php!) and working my new “advancement and outreach “:www.FGCquaker.org/ao job–oh, and of course there’s also “the family”:http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_kelley/40269563/! But you could also just follow my train of thought by looking over my shoulder at comments made at other sites. Over the last few days the Quaker blogosphere has had a number of interesting posts. Here’s a cobble-together of posts and comments that have spoken to me about the inherent Quaker snare of confusing our “Quaker faith” for God.<br>
Over on Kwakersaur, David M “shares some renewal queries for his yearly meeting”:http://kwakersaur.blogspot.com/2005/11/consultation-and-renewal.html. “Nancy A”:http://nancysapology.blogspot.com detected a “sense an overall fatigue” in them and “Beppe”:http://beppeblog.blogspot.com/ agreed, asking if the seemingly-simple answers to these sorts of queries require that we first have the much harder-to-come-by “understanding [of] who we are.”<br>
One of the queries goes “What does our Quaker faith ask us to DO?” _Eeeyyaa-aa-yaaaaawwwn_. My favorite Quaker committee-meeting trick of late consists of replace all the “we”-like phrases with  _God_. How about “What does God ask us to DO?” (Just a quick testimony: I love David’s work and I value his wonderful online ministry. Any time he wants to come down to Philly to tend to our flock with talk of Quaker renewal, he’s welcome!! I’m sure everyone on the Consultation and Renewal Working Group is deeper than the queries would indicate and suspect that this is an example of the Quaker corporate dumbing-down tendency that’s practically our modus operandi.)<br>
All this ties into a great post from AJ Schwanz, “Can I Say I’m Emerging If I Haven’t Emerged or Quaker If I Haven’t Quaked?”:http://ajschwanz.com/index.php/2005/11/07/can-i-say-im-emerging-if-i-havent-emerged-or-quaker-if-i-havent-quaked/,. Here’s a taste:<br>
bq. Part of me has thought of shedding my Quaker pin. How can I use it?: have I ever quaked with the power of God? Shedding my differentiation label certainly would support the idea that “there’s really only one church, but lots of meeting places.” Particularly in this town where the Quaker college is perceived as pretty insular, would I have different interactions with folks if I simply said “I’m a follower of Christ” rather than a “Friend”? What would I miss out on? What would be gained?<br>
Paul L implicitly addresses the question of shedding the Quaker pin in his “review of Punshon’s Reasons for Hope”:http://showerofblessings.blogspot.com/2005/11/reasons-for-hope.html, where he asks if “Quakers have a unique niche to fill in the Christian and broader social landscape.”<br>
Are we Quaker because it’s comfortable, because our friends are, because the buildings are cool and the social hour coffee hot? Or the opposite: are we Friends because we really liked “Barclay’s Apology”:http://www.quakerbooks.org/get/333004 but couldn’t care less for the messyness of flesh-and-blood religious community?  Another Quaker blogger recently sent me a private email in which he confided: “My main question of late to Quakers is: what is so remarkable about Quakers?  I sometimes have to be a pain-in-the-ass in order to ask these questions.” That seems like both a good question and a important meeting role.<br>
There’s something about living both within a community and outside it. The real deal isn’t in any of our human institutions, theories or notions yet it is through these that we live out our faith. Christ as transcendent everythingness and Christ as a particular guy in a particular place speaking a particular language and living a particular life. The pull between the eternal and peculiar is the very essence of the human condition. The same voice that spoke to the prophets and apostles speaks to us today, if only we have ears to hear. How can we learn to lessen the volume on our own self-kudos long enough to hear the divine whisperer?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Burning up the blogosphere is a post and discussion on Michael J Totten’s site about the “Workers World Party and International ANSWeR”:http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000131.html. He calls them “the new skinheads” (huh?), but his critique of these organizations and the “unconditional support” they give to anti‑U.S. fascists the world over is valid. As a pacifist it’s often a [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burning up the blogosphere is a post and discussion on Michael J Totten’s site about the “Workers World Party and International ANSWeR”:http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000131.html.<br>
He calls them “the new skinheads” (huh?), but his critique of these organizations and the “unconditional support” they give to anti‑U.S. fascists the world over is valid.<br>
As a pacifist it’s often a tough balancing act to try to remain a steady voice for peace: this spring we were trying to simultaneously critiquing both Saddam Hussein and U.S. war plans against iraq. Both left and right denounce pacifists for this insistence on consistency, but that’s okay: it is these times when nonviolent activists have the most to contribute to the larger societal debate. But hard-left groups like International ANSWeR refuse to draw the line and refuse to condemn the very real evil that exists in the world.<br>
International ANSWeR has sponsored big anti-war rallies over the last year, but anti-war is not necessarily pro-nonviolence. Many of the participants at the rallies would never support International ANSWeR’s larger agenda, but go because it’s a peace rally, shrugging off the politics of the sponsoring group. I suspect that International ANSWeR’s support base would disappear pretty quickly if they started rallying on other issues.<br>
International ANSWeR just had another rally last weekend but you didn’t see it listed here on Nonviolence.org. Other peace groups co-sponsored it, echoing the All-caps/exclamation style of organizing. It’s very strange to go the site of “United for peace,” a coalition of peace groups, and look down the list of its next three events: “Stop the Wall!,” “Stop the FTAA!, “Shut Down the School of the Americas” When did pacifism become shouting for attention alongside the Workers World Party? Why are we all about stopping this and shutting down that?</p>
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