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		<title>YouTube: I’m an Atheist. I Visited a Quaker Church.</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jared is an atheist YouTuber whose schtick is visiting different churches. I’ve watched him before so was thrilled to see he’s now visited Friends. He’s very good at observing and understanding and explaining what he’s seen. There’s no substantive inaccuracies here. He had a deeply moving experience that he says he won’t forget. That said, [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Jared is an atheist YouTuber whose schtick is visiting different churches. I’ve watched him before so was thrilled to see he’s now visited Friends.</p>



<p>He’s very good at observing and understanding and explaining what he’s seen. There’s no substantive inaccuracies here. He had a deeply moving experience that he says he won’t forget.</p>



<p>That said, he felt disappointed that the meeting he visited wasn’t more distinctly Quaker, calling it a “bait and switch almost.” The only ministry was political and while he does a good job defending the speaker’s compassion he says that it felt “solemn but not sacred” to him, which I think is a fascinating way of putting it:</p>



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<p>I’m really interested in the handful of people who feel like they’ve touched God. I don’t, but It’s still a profound thing to talk to somebody who’s don’t that.</p>
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<p>He grew up Pentecostal and knew that there was a lot of crossover with early Friends. That’s what he was looking for. I think his observations on this was probably pretty fair for most Liberal Friends meetings today. I think there are other seekers like him wanting to experience something more distinctively and religiously Quaker. Overall, an awesome video, very recommended.</p>



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		<title>Disappointment, frustration, and betrayal</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2019 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Johan Maurer: What choices do we have? The most obvious and most glib answer is: leave! Escape! In fact, after prayer and consultation and weighing options, that may end up being the best answer. This seems like a very grounded look at some of the oft-recurrent dysfunctions in churches. Check out the list of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Johan Maurer:</p>
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  What choices do we have? The most obvious and most glib answer is: leave! Escape! In fact, after prayer and consultation and weighing options, that may end up being the best answer.
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<p>This seems like a very grounded look at some of the oft-recurrent dysfunctions in churches. Check out the list of problems. I suspect thet most seekers have run into at least a fee of these in congregations.</p>
<p>https://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2019/03/trustworthy-part-three-choices.html</p>
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		<title>What is our vocation?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2019 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Johan Maurer, a return to a question he first pondered twelve years ago: do Quakers have a vocation among the larger body of Christians? There’s lots of good observations about our spiritual gifts, like this one: A community empowered by spiritual gifts is not culturally narrow. This assertion is backed by vast hopes and [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Johan Maurer, a return to a question he first pondered twelve years ago: do Quakers have a vocation among the larger body of Christians? There’s lots of good observations about our spiritual gifts, like this one:</p>
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  A community empowered by spiritual gifts is not culturally narrow. This assertion is backed by vast hopes and very little experience. Many Friends meetings and churches yearn for cultural and racial diversity, but seem to be stuck arguing about theoretical ideals rather than choosing to examine hurdles: location, unintended or unexamined “we-they” messages (no matter how benevolent or progressive the intention), and a tendency to see non-members as objects of service rather than co-equal participants already part of “us” in God’s story. But most of all, I believe that spiritual power unites while cerebral analysis divides.
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<p>https://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2019/01/what-is-our-vocation.html</p>
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		<title>A Space for Doubt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Features on Friends Journal this week, Jeff Rasley’s article on “stealth worshipers” and religious doubt in the professional clergy: Because I went to seminary, I came to know quite a few Christian ministers. As an attorney, I represented several churches and Christian ministers in legal matters. Several ministers of Protestant denominations and two Catholic priests [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Features on <em>Friends Journal</em> this week, Jeff Rasley’s article on “stealth worshipers” and religious doubt in the professional clergy:</p>
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  Because I went to seminary, I came to know quite a few Christian ministers. As an attorney, I represented several churches and Christian ministers in legal matters. Several ministers of Protestant denominations and two Catholic priests came clean with me about their personal beliefs. I discovered that when they were not “on,” many pastors would admit to the same doubts about the dogmas and superstitions of their churches as I had about mine.
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<p>December’s issue is on Christianity and there are opinions on various sides of the issue but Rasley’s piece gets right to a core strength of Liberal Quakerism: its ability to so easily invite and engage with those unsure of their beliefs. Because of family, I get to a lot of non-Quaker services a lot and wonder how many of the people around me aren’t following their church’s teachings on various issues. One way of ordering Christian denominations is to see if they prefer a tidy and pure but small congregation or a messy big tent come-as-you-are congregation.</p>
<p>It seems like Quakers are taking something of a different path: come but follow your own integrity and engage in the way that honors whatever level of truth has been given you. It’s a pretty powerful stance, though of course it gives us our own special set of headaches when it comes time to speaking in a collective voice.</p>
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		<title>Traveling in the ministry in the “old style”</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2018 20:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels on Lloyd Lee Wilson’s traveling style Most folks can guess what it means to travel in the ministry. You visit different churches and meetings and share gifts of ministry with the community there. “In the old style” is a reference to how many early Friends would travel, by sensing a call to go [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels on Lloyd Lee Wilson’s traveling style</p>
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  Most folks can guess what it means to travel in the ministry. You visit different churches and meetings and share gifts of ministry with the community there. “In the old style” is a reference to how many early Friends would travel, by sensing a call to go and worship with Friends in other parts of the country and world, with no clear outcome or goal, and only trusting that by showing up and worshiping with Friends “something divinely good would happen.”
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<p>http://gatheringinlight.com/2018/11/21/on-traveling-in-the-ministry/</p>
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		<title>Ministers, elders, and overseers</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Jnana Hodson, a listing of three types of offices in traditional Quaker meetings: Traditionally, Quaker meetings recognized and nurtured individuals who had spiritual gifts as ministers, elders, or overseers. These roles could be filled by men or women, and their service extended over the entire congregation. Many Friends have dropped the term “overseers” in [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Jnana Hodson, a listing of three types of offices in traditional Quaker meetings:</p>
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  Traditionally, Quaker meetings recognized and nurtured individuals who had spiritual gifts as ministers, elders, or overseers. These roles could be filled by men or women, and their service extended over the entire congregation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Many Friends have dropped the term “overseers” in recent years, out of concern for how the word is so associated with slavery. As I understand it, early Friends’ use of the word came from its use as an English translation for <a href="https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/episkopos.html">Episkopos</a> in the New Testament. They considered themselves to be re-establishing early Christian models. For example, Acts 20:28:</p>
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  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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<p>Bible translations that were geared toward a Catholic audience tended to stick to Latinized words and went with “bishop” over “overseer.” Quakers worried about the connotation of the word could propose that we just start naming bishops. It’s not as nutty as it might seem, as there are anabaptist churches who use the term to talk about roles within individual churches. Of course, sometimes name changes also mask changes in theology and I noticed that some of the more liberal Quaker meetings dropped “overseer” with a speed which they are not otherwise known for. Friends today are a lot more individualistic than Friends were when our institutions were set up — there are many good reasons for this in our histories. But I do hope we’re continuing to find adequate ways to notice and care for our members.<br>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not a surprise: Wilmington Yearly Meeting (western Ohio and Tennessee) is splintering along familiar lines: The separations stem from a disagreement over whether same-sex weddings are to be permitted in member churches, or as they are often called in the Quaker tradition, meetings. The churches leaving WYM regard same-sex marriage as against the will of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a surprise: Wilmington Yearly Meeting (western Ohio and Tennessee) is splintering along familiar lines:</p>
<blockquote><p>The separations stem from a disagreement over whether same-sex weddings are to be permitted in member churches, or as they are often called in the Quaker tradition, meetings. The churches leaving WYM regard same-sex marriage as against the will of God.</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks like many of the more Evangelical churches are the ones pulling out of the yearly meeting. The lines of controversy are similar to recent separations in Indiana and North Carolina Yearly Meetings. The big-tent center of Midwestern FUM Friends seems to be pretty permanently fractured.</p>
<p>https://www.wnewsj.com/news/78939/several-churches-leave-wilmington-yearly-meeting-over-same-sex-marriage</p>
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		<title>Quakers find that sharing solar electricity is possible but laws and regulations make it complicated</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quakers find that sharing solar electricity is possible but laws and regulations make it complicated The process proved difficult more for legal than technical reasons, he said, and Concord Quakers hope its success “will inspire other churches, nonprofits, and private homeowners to form their own groups.” http://www.concordmonitor.com/solar-power-quaker-canterbury-group-net-metering-17129177]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.concordmonitor.com/solar-power-quaker-canterbury-group-net-metering-17129177">Quakers find that sharing solar electricity is possible but laws and regulations make it complicated</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The process proved difficult more for legal than technical reasons, he said, and Concord Quakers hope its success “will inspire other churches, nonprofits, and private homeowners to form their own groups.”</p></blockquote>
<p>http://www.concordmonitor.com/solar-power-quaker-canterbury-group-net-metering-17129177</p>
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