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		<title>‘My ministry is the jokes and kittens’ &#124; The Friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2019 18:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Friend editor Joseph Jones interviews best-selling Quaker author Bridget Collins. One of my favorite part is the balance between discipline and waiting inspiration: On a day-to-day basis my biggest struggle – if I’m finding it hard to find the words – is over whether I need to wait for inspiration to come, or whether [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Friend</i> editor Joseph Jones interviews best-selling Quaker author Bridget Collins. One of my favorite part is the balance between discipline and waiting inspiration:</p>
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  On a day-to-day basis my biggest struggle – if I’m finding it hard to find the words – is over whether I need to wait for inspiration to come, or whether I’m just being lazy and underprepared. Whether I’m letting fear or procrastination stop me. The Quaker method has a lot to say to that. You know, you wait in silence and if it doesn’t come then it doesn’t come. But also you have to be disciplined, and prepared, for that to work
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		<title>The Rise of Liberal Quakerism</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 11:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steven Davison is nerding deep into Quaker history, specifically the process in which younger members of Britain Yearly Meeting started formulating a new kind of Quakerism. Here’s his explanatory introduction and here is part 2: Meanwhile, membership dropped precipitously, as meetings applied discipline increasingly rigorously for walking disorderly in all manner of ways. In 1859, [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Davison is nerding deep into Quaker history, specifically the process in which younger members of Britain Yearly Meeting started formulating a new kind of Quakerism. Here’s his <a href="https://throughtheflamingsword.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/the-rise-of-liberal-quakerism-a-short-history/">explanatory introduction</a> and here is <a href="https://throughtheflamingsword.wordpress.com/2018/05/22/the-rise-of-liberal-quakerism-part-2/">part 2</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Meanwhile, membership dropped precipitously, as meetings applied discipline increasingly rigorously for walking disorderly in all manner of ways. In 1859, a prize of one hundred pounds was offered by an anonymous British Friend for the essay that best explained this decline and that offered the most promising solutions</p></blockquote>
<p>The process was anything but overnight. As I understand the history it would be another half century from the prize to a yearly-meeting-wide shift. I don’t think many Friends in England appreciate just how Evangelical their yearly meeting has become in these years; their refusal to recognize American Hicksites led to the latter’s shunning from the world Quaker family and meant modernist Quaker responses would evolve on largely separate paths.</p>
<p>I wonder if British Friend William Pollard will make an appearance in Steven’s posts. I’ve been <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/bring-people-christ-leave/">fascinated how Philadelphia Hicksites took to him</a> despite the formal institutional barriers. [Update: Steven just dropped <a href="https://throughtheflamingsword.wordpress.com/2018/05/23/the-rise-of-liberal-quakerism-part-3/">part three and there’s Pollard</a>!]</p>
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		<title>British Quakers take long hard look at faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2018 23:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Britain Yearly Meeting has decided to undertake a once-in-a-generation rewrite of its Faith and Practice Regular revision and being open to new truths is part of who Quakers are as a religious society. Quakers compiled the first of these books of discipline in 1738. Since then, each new generation of Quakers has revised the book. [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britain Yearly Meeting has decided to undertake a once-in-a-generation rewrite of its <a href="https://www.quaker.org.uk/news-and-events/news/quakers-revise-book-of-discipline">Faith and Practice</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Regular revision and being open to new truths is part of who Quakers are as a religious society. Quakers compiled the first of these books of discipline in 1738. Since then, each new generation of Quakers has revised the book. A new revision may help it speak to younger Quakers and the wider world.</p></blockquote>
<p>This possibility of this revision was the basis for the inaccurate and overblown clickbaity rhetoric last week that Quakers were giving up God. Rewriting these books of&nbsp;<em>Faith and Practice&nbsp;</em>is not uncommon. But it can be a big fraught. Who decides what is archaic? Who decides which parts of our Quaker experience are core and which are expendable? Add to this the longstanding Quaker distrust of creedal statements and there’s a strong incentive to include everybody’s experience. Inclusion can be an admirable goal in life and spirituality of course, but for a religious body defining itself it leads to lowest-common-denominationalism.</p>
<p>I’ve found it extremely rewarding to read older copies of&nbsp;<em>Faith and Practice</em> precisely because the sometimes-unfamiliar language opens up a spiritual connection that I’ve missed in the routine of contemporary life. The <a href="http://www.qhpress.org/texts/obod/index.html">1806 Philadelphia Book of Discipline</a>&nbsp;has challenged me to reconcile its very different take on Quaker faith (where are the SPICES?) with my own.&nbsp;My understanding is that the first copies of Faith and Practice were essentially binders of the important minutes that had been passed by Friends over the first century of our existence; these minutes represented boundaries–on our participation on war, on our language of days and times, on our advices against gambling and taverns. This was a very different kind of document than our&nbsp;<em>Faith and Practice’s&nbsp;</em>today.</p>
<p>It would be a personal hell for me to sit on one of the rewriting committees. I like the margins and fringes of Quaker spirituality too much. I like people who have taken the time to think through their experiences and give words to it–phrases and ideas which might not fit the standard nomenclature. I like publishing and sharing the ideas of people who don’t necessarily agree.</p>
<p>These days more newcomers first find Friends through Wikipedia and YouTube and (often phenomenally inaccurate) online discussions. A few years ago I sat in a session of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting in which we were discussion revising the section of&nbsp;<em>Faith and Practice&nbsp;</em>that had to do with monthly meeting reporting. I was a bit surprised that the Friends who rose to speak on the proposed new procedure all admitted being unaware of the process in the current edition. It seems as if&nbsp;<em>Faith and Practice&nbsp;</em>is often a imprecise snapshot of Quaker institutional life even to those of us who are deeply embedded.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2013 22:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[U2’s singer talks about God: Religion can be the enemy of God. It’s often what happens when God, like Elvis, has left the building. [laughs] A list of instructions where there was once conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man where once they were led by the Holy [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U2’s singer talks about God:</p>
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<p>Religion can be the enemy of God. It’s often what happens when God, like Elvis, has left the building. [laughs] A list of instructions where there was once conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man where once they were led by the Holy Spirit. Discipline replacing discipleship. Why are you chuckling?</p>
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<p>More on <a href="http://frankviola.org/2013/06/21/bonoonjesus/">Frank Viola’s blog</a></p>
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		<title>Visit to Vineland Mennonite Church</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday the family visited Vineland NJ Mennonite Church. We were coming after 8:30 Mass at Julie’s church and arrived a few minutes&#160;before the worship service while they were doing their religious education program. But the distinction between religious ed and worship was minimal, almost non-existent. Attendance at both was near-universal (about 110 total) and much [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday the family visited <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=795865185795076813&amp;q=mennonite&amp;cd=1&amp;ei=UcCgTMyKJpb8yAWutqn7CA&amp;dtab=0&amp;sll=39.519337,-75.048466&amp;sspn=0.018705,0.031414&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=39.530129,-75.060267&amp;spn=0,0&amp;z=15&amp;iwloc=A">Vineland NJ Mennonite Church</a>.</p>
<p>We were coming after 8:30 Mass at Julie’s church and arrived a few minutes&nbsp;before the worship service while they were doing their religious education program. But the distinction between religious ed and worship was minimal, almost non-existent. Attendance at both was near-universal (about 110 total) and much of the worship itself was religious education. There was a series of 15 minute’ish sermons (delivered by various men), broken up by some four-part a capella singing (beautiful), recitations from a Bible verse they were memorizing and kneeling prayer (a surprise the first time, as they all spin around suddenly to face the back, kneel and pray).</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=795865185795076813&amp;q=mennonite&amp;cd=1&amp;ei=UcCgTMyKJpb8yAWutqn7CA&amp;dtab=0&amp;sll=39.519337,-75.048466&amp;sspn=0.018705,0.031414&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=39.530129,-75.060267&amp;spn=0,0&amp;z=15&amp;iwloc=A"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" class="alignright size-full wp-image-898" title="The church from the street via Google Maps" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/mennonite-Google-Maps.jpg?resize=233%2C182&#038;ssl=1" alt width="233" height="182"></a>It’s probably one of the most religiously conscientious communities I’ve seen. A lot of the service involved reviewing belief structure. Their book of discipline is very slim, not much more than a tract, but it’s something they use and they spent part of the time reading from it. Much of the worship hour was meant to reinforce who they were, why they were and how they were–to explain over and over why they led their distinctive life. Theirs is a voluntary association for those who agree to follow the authority of the group’s teachings.&nbsp;I suspect that every adult in the room could give a detailed presentation on conservative Mennonite faith and give detailed answers about points of doctrine.&nbsp;At the risk of inserting my own opinion I will venture that the worship service felt a bit dry (as Julie said, there wasn’t a&nbsp;ounce&nbsp;of mysticism in the whole proceeding) but I don’t think the members there would feel offended by this observation. Exciting the senses is less important than reviewing the values and living the moral life.</p>
<p>Visually, the group is striking. Every man in the room wore a long-sleeved white dress shirt buttoned all the way up, dark pants and black shoes; all had short hair and only one or two had facial hair. I was more distinctively plain in my broadfalls and suspenders but the effect of sixty-or-so men and young boys all dressed alike was visually stunning. Like a lot of plain peoples, the women were more obviously plain and all but one or two wore lightly-colored cape dresses and head coverings (I later learned that the exceptions were newcomers who weren’t yet members). Seated was segregated, women on the left, men on the right. Gender roles are very clear. There were kids–lots of kids–all around, and a big focus of the sermons was family living. One extended sermon focused on discerning between providing well for one’s family vs. greed and the balance between working hard for your family vs. giving up some things so you can spend time with them. Kids were present throughout the service and were relatively well behaved.</p>
<p>The church itself was called a meetinghouse and was plain–no crosses of course. People sat in pews and there was a raised area up front for ministers and elders. The building doubled as a schoolhouse during the week and its schoolrooms had a lot of <a href="http://www.rodandstaffbooks.com/">Rod and Staff </a>books, familiar from our own home schooling. A member described the school as one leg of the three-legged stool, along with church and family. If any one part of the equation was lacking in some way, the other two could help insure the child’s moral welfare. School was free for church members but was open on a tuition basis to non-Mennonites. These outsiders were required to make certain lifestyle choices that would insure the school stayed relatively pure; the most important requirement was that the family not have a television at home.</p>
<p>My regular readers will have one question on their mind right about now: <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/biggest-most-vibranty-most-outreachiest/">did anyone invite us to lunch?</a> Why yes they did! We didn’t even have to prompt it. We knew a couple there–M and J, who run a restaurant in the local farmer’s market, a favorite Saturday morning stop for us. They took us under their wing when they recognized us, sitting with us during worship and then showing us the school. J said that if we came back again we could come over for lunch. Then she backtracked and offered that we could come now, explaining that the church had had recent discussions over whether it was too pushy to ask first-time attenders to lunch or whether they should restrain themselves and invite them on the second visit. <em>Wow, a church that thinks about this?!</em></p>
<p>So we followed them to their place for lunch. It was a wonderful opportunity to ask more questions and get to know one another. Meals are important. Julie and I had wondered why there were Mennonites in Vineland NJ of all places–and two Mennonite churches at that! Short story is that there had been a&nbsp;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100117090054/https://gameo.org/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/contents/civilian_public_service_unit_vineland_new_jersey">civilian public service facility in Vineland</a> for conscientious objectors&nbsp;and Lancaster-area Mennonites decided that “the boys” stationed there needed the grounding of a local church community (apparently other C.O. camps were scenes of debauchery–Mennonite drag racing in&nbsp;Colorado&nbsp;Springs was cited). This became Norma Mennonite Church, <a href="http://www.forministry.com/USNJMENOCNMCNM">which still exists </a>and is another local church I’ve been meaning to visit for years (hi Mandy!). In the 1960s, there was a great round of liberalization among Mennonites, an unofficial abandonment of the distinctives codified in their books of disciplines. Many churches split and the Vineland Church was formed by those members of Norma who wanted to maintain the discipline.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anabaptistbooks.com/cgi-bin/bkstore/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=thispage&amp;thispage=titles/310.shtml&amp;ORDER_ID=171938444"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" class="alignright size-full wp-image-897" title="An Introduction to Old Order and Conservative Mennonite Groups" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/An-Introduction-to-Old-Order-and-Conservative-Mennonite-Groups.jpg?resize=130%2C203&#038;ssl=1" alt width="130" height="203"></a>This probably explains the strong focus on the rules of the discipline.&nbsp;For those wanting more of the histories, I commend Stephen Scott’s excellent “<a href="http://www.anabaptistbooks.com/cgi-bin/bkstore/perlshop.cgi?ACTION=thispage&amp;thispage=titles/310.shtml&amp;ORDER_ID=171938444">An Introduction to Old Order and Conservative Mennonite Groups</a>” along with anything else Stephen Scott has written. The Vineland congregation is part of the <a href="http://www.gameo.org/encyclopedia/contents/E2388ME.html">Eastern Pennsylvania Mennonite Church</a> conference, profiled on pages 173–176. A lot of the Mennonite issues and splits are echoed among Friends and we’d do well to understand these cousins of ours.</p>
<p>The result is a church that’s big on group practice: the dress, the lifestyle. M. told me that they don’t believe in theology but in Biblicism. He explained that they don’t think the Bible <em>contains</em> the word of God but instead that it <em>is</em> the Word of God and he paused to let the distinction sink in. The Bible is not to be interpreted but read and followed, with special attention given the gospels and the letters of Paul.</p>
<p>So no, I’m not going to go Conservative Mennonite on you all. I have a TV. My profession is web design (they’re not into the internet, natch). I’m married to a praciticing Catholic (I don’t know how they would bend on that) and at this point my brain is wired in a curious, outward way that wouldn’t fit into the normative structures of a group like this. Doctrinally-speaking, I’m a Friend in that I think the Word of God is the Inward Christ’s direct spirit and that the Bible needs to be read in that Light. There’s a lot of people who wouldn’t fit for various reasons, people who I would want in my church (they maintain a hard line against remarriage after divorce and I didn’t even <em>ask</em> about gay issues). But I have to admit that the process and structure puts together a really great community of people. They’re hard-working, kind,&nbsp;charitable&nbsp;and not nearly as&nbsp;judgmental&nbsp;as you might imagine–in practice, less judgmental than a lot of progressive religious people I know. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonresistance">Non-resistance</a> is one of the pillars of their practice and they were genuinely interested in Julie’s Catholic church and my experiences among Friends and we talked a fair bit about Islam.</p>
<p>Normally I’d give a big thanks to the church and M &amp; J here, except I know they won’t read this. I am grateful to their kindness in sharing their church, beliefs and family meal with us.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[My response to the excellent Greg Woods’ If I wanted to live by 1600s standards, I would be Amish. Greg talks about the over-obsession with Early Friends and the tendency to use them as ways to accuse others of un-Quakerism.&#160; The academic obsession with Quaker history is about 100 years old or so. From the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response to the excellent Greg Woods’ <a href="http://williampennhouse.blogspot.com/2010/05/if-i-wanted-to-live-by-1600s-standards.html">If I wanted to live by 1600s standards, I would be Amish</a>. Greg talks about the over-obsession with Early Friends and the tendency to use them as ways to accuse others of un-Quakerism.&nbsp;</p>
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<div>The academic obsession with Quaker history is about 100 years old or so. From the beginning the rise of “Quaker history” has been tied to the arguments of the day. We want to boil “Quakerism” down to it essentials and separate out what is core from what was an artifact of 17th century England. Each branch raises up historians who argue that its churches’ focus is the essential of those early Friends.
<p>I consciously try not to use early Friends as justification. But I do use them for reference. I think a lot of the problem is we all have stereotypes about them. When I go back and read the old <a href="http://www.qhpress.org/texts/obod/index.html">Books of Discipline</a>, I find them much more nuanced and interior-focused than we give them credit for.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Greg mentioned taverns, for example. It’s not that earlier Friends thought everyone couldn’t handle their liquor. They saw that some people couldn’t and that spending a lot of time there tended to affect one’s discernment and God-centeredness. They also saw that some people got really messed up by alcohol and eventually came to the conclusion that the safest way to protect the most vulnerable in the spiritual community was to stay out.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The observations and logic are still valid. I’ve known senior members of past Quaker communities who have had alcohol problems but we don’t know how to talk about it because we’ve decided it’s a personal decision.&nbsp;</p>
<p>What I try to do is not focus on the conclusions of early Friends but to drop into the conversations of early Friends. As I said, the old Books of Discipline are surprisingly relevant. And I love <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/going_lowercase_christian_with_thomas_clarkson.php">Thomas Clarkson</a>, an Anglican who explained Quaker ways in 1700 and talked about the sociology of it more than Friends themselves did. It’s a good way of separating out rules from knowledge. When we ground ourselves that way, we can more readily decide which of the classic Quaker testimonies are still relevant. That keeps us a living community testifying to the people of today. For what it’s worth, there’s quite a bit of mainstream interest in the stodgy traditions most of us have cast off as irrelevant.… </p></div>
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					<description><![CDATA[Had a good time with Philadelphia Yearly Meeting high school Friends yesterday, two mini-session on the testimonies in the middle of their end-of-summer gathering. The second session was an attempt at a write-your-own testimonies exercise, fueled by my testimonies-as-wiki idea and grounded by passages from an 1843 Book of Discipline and Thomas Clarkson’s “Portraiture”. My [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_kelley/4121127346/" title="At the PYM High School Friends retreat, Fall 2009 by martin_kelley, on Flickr"><img data-recalc-dims="1" loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/4121127346_4fa30f1baf_m.jpg?resize=240%2C236" width="240" height="236" alt="At the PYM High School Friends retreat, Fall 2009" align="left" style="padding-right:20px;"></a>Had a good time with Philadelphia Yearly Meeting high school Friends yesterday, two mini-session on the testimonies in the middle of their end-of-summer gathering. The second session was an attempt at a write-your-own testimonies exercise, fueled by my testimonies-as-wiki idea and grounded by passages from an 1843 Book of Discipline and Thomas Clarkson’s “Portraiture”. My hope was that by reverse-engineering the old testimonies we might get an appreciation for their spiritual focus. The exercise needs a bit of tweaking but I’ll try to fix it up and write it out in case others want to try it with local Friends.<br break="all"><br>The invite came when the program coordinator googled “quaker testimonies” and found the video below (<a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/video/quaker-testimonies">loose transcript is here</a>):</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote this in Eighth Month 2004 for the Plainandmodestdress discussion group back when the red dress MacGuffin made it’s appearance on that board. I wonder if it’s not a good time for the Margaret Fell story. She was one of the most important founders of the Quaker movement, a feisty, outspoken, hardworking and politically [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">I wrote this in Eighth Month 2004 for the <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PlainAndModestDress/">Plainandmodestdress</a> discussion group back when the red dress <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin">MacGuffin</a> made it’s appearance on that board.</span></p>
<p>I wonder if it’s not a good time for the Margaret Fell story. She was one of the most important founders of the Quaker movement, a feisty, outspoken, hardworking and politically powerful early Friend who later married George Fox.</p>
<p>The story goes that one day Margaret wore a red dress to Meeting. Another Friend complained that it was gaudy. She shot back in a letter that it was a “silly poor gospel” to question her dress. In my branch of Friends, this story is endlessly repeated out of context to prove that “plain dress” isn’t really Quaker. (I haven’t looked up to see if I have the actual details correct–I’m telling the apocryphal version of this tale.)</p>
<p>Before declaring her Friend’s complaint “silly poor gospel” Margaret explains that Friends have set up monthly, quarterly and yearly meeting structures in order to discipline those walking out of line of the truth. She follows it by saying that we should be “covered with God’s eternal Spirit, and clothed with his eternal Light.”</p>
<p>It seems really clear here that Margaret is using this exchange as a teaching opportunity to demonstrate the process of gospel order. Individuals are charged with trying to follow Christ’s commands, and we should expect that these might lead to all sorts of seemingly-odd appearances (even red dresses!). What matters is NOT the outward form of plain dress, but the inward spiritual obedience that it (hopefully!) mirrors. Gospel order says it’s the Meeting’s role to double-guess individuals and labor with them and discipline them if need be. Individuals enforcing a dress code of conformity with snarky comments after meeting is legalism–it’s not gospel order and not proper Quaker process (I would argue it’s a variant of “detraction”).</p>
<p>This concern over legalism is something that is distinctly Quaker. Other faiths are fine with written down, clearly-articulated outward forms. Look at creeds for example: it’s considered fine for everyone to repeat a set phrasing of belief, even though we might know or suspect that not everyone in church is signing off on all the parts in it as they mutter along. Quakers are really sticklers on this and so avoid creeds altogether. In worship, you should only give ministry if you are actively moved of the Lord to deliver it and great care should be given that you don’t “outrun your Guide” or add unnecessary rhetorical flourishes.</p>
<p>This Plain and Modest Dress discussion group is&nbsp; meant for people of all sorts of religious backgrounds of course. It might be interesting some time to talk about the different assumptions and rationales each of our religious traditions bring to the plain dress question. I think this anti-legalism that would distinguish Friends.</p>
<p>For Friends, I don’t think the point is that we should have a formal list of acceptable colors–we shouldn’t get too obsessed over the “red or not red” question. I don’t suspect Margaret would want us spending too much time working out details of a standard pan-Quaker uniform. “Legalism” is a silly poor gospel for Friends. There’s a great people to be gathered and a lot of work to do. The plainness within is the fruit of our devotion and it can certainly shine through any outward color or fashion!</p>
<p>If I lived to see the day when all the Quakers were dressing alike and gossiping about how others were led to clothe themselves, I’d break out a red dress too! But then, come to think about it, I DO live in a Quaker world where there’s WAY TOO MUCH conformity in thought and dress and where there’s WAY TOO MUCH idle gossip when someone adopts plain dress. Where I live, suspenders and broadfalls might as well be a red dress!</p>
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