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		<title>The Not-Quite-So Young Quakers</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was five years ago this week that I sat down and wrote about a cool new movement I had been reading about. It would have been Jordan Cooper’s blog that turned me onto Robert E Webber’s The Younger Evangelicals, a look at generational shifts among American Evangelicals. I found it simultaneously disorienting and shocking [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was five years ago this week that I sat down and wrote about a cool new movement I had been reading about. It would have been <a href="http://www.jordoncooper.com/">Jordan Cooper</a>’s blog that turned me onto <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/aprilweb-only/118-12.0.html">Robert E Webber</a>’s <a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Younger-Evangelicals-Facing-Challenges-World/dp/0801091527">The Younger Evangelicals</a>, a look at generational shifts among American Evangelicals. I found it simultaneously disorienting and shocking that I actually identified with most of the trends Webber outlined. Here I was, still a young’ish Friend attending one of the most liberal Friends meetings in the country (Central Philadelphia) and working for the very organization whose initials (FGC) are international shorthand for hippy-dippy liberal Quakerism, yet I was nodding my head and laughing out loud at just about everything Webber said. Although he most likely never walked into a meetinghouse, he clearly explained the generational dynamics running through Quaker culture and I finished the book with a better understanding of why so much of our youth organizing and outreach was floundering on issues of tokenism and feel-good-ism.</p>
<p>My post, originally titled&nbsp; “<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/emergent_church_movement_the_younger_evangelicals_and_quaker_renewal.php">The Younger Evangelicals and the Younger Quakers</a>,”&nbsp; (here it is in its <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040214080939/www.nonviolence.org/quaker/emerging_church.php">original context</a>) started off as a book review but quickly became a Quaker vision manifesto. The section heads alone ticked off the work to be done:</p>
<ul>
<li>A re-examination of our roots, as Christians and as Friends</li>
<li>A desire to grow</li>
<li>A more personally-involved, time-consuming commitment</li>
<li>A renewal of discipline and oversight</li>
<li>A confrontation of our ethnic and cultural bigotries</li>
</ul>
<p>When I wrote this, there wasn’t much you could call Quaker blogging (<a href="http://notfrisco2.com/leones/">Lynn Gazis-Sachs</a> was an exception), and when I googled variations on “quakers” and “emerging church” nothing much came up. It’s not surprising that there wasn’t much of an initial response.</p>
<p>It took about two years for the post to find its audience and responses started coming from both liberal and evangelical Quaker circles. In retrospect, it’s fair to say that the <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/">QuakerQuaker community</a> gathered around this essay (here’s <a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-quaker-blogosphere-changed-my-life.html">Robin M’s account of first reading it</a>) and it’s follow-up <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/were_all_ranters_now_on_liberal_friends_and_becoming_a_society_of_finders.php">We’re All Ranters Now</a> (<a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/04/20/quaker-ranter-martin-kelley-puts-a-new-face-on-an-old-tradition/">Wess talking about it</a>). Five years after I postd it, we have a cadre of bloggers and readers who regularly gather around the QuakerQuaker water cooler to talk about Quaker vision. We’re getting pieces published in all the major Quaker publications, we’re asked to lead worships and we’ve got a catchy name in “<a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2006/01/robinopedia-convergent-friends.html">Convergent Friends</a>.”</p>
<p><big>And yet?</big></p>
<p>All of this is still a small demographic scattered all around. If I wanted to have a good two-hour caffeine-fueled bull session about the future of Friends at some local coffeeshop this afternoon, I can’t think of anyone even vaguely local who I could call up. A few years ago I started commuting pretty regularly to a meeting that did a good job at the Christian/Friends-awareness/roots stuff but not the discipline/oversight or desire-to-grow end of things. I’ve drifted away the last few months because I realized I didn’t have any personal friends there and it was mostly an hour-drive, hour-worship, hour-drive back home kind of experience.</p>
<p>My main cadre five years ago were fellow staffers at FGC. A few years ago FGC commissioned surveys indicated that potential donors would respond favorably to talk about youth, outreach and race stereotyping and even though these were some of the concerns I had been awkwardly raising for years, it was very clear I wasn’t welcome in quickly-changing staff structure and I found myself out of a job. The most exciting outreach programs I had worked on was a database that would collect the names and addresses of isolated Friends, but <a href="http://www.quakerfinder.org/QF/QFclosed.php">It was quietly dropped</a> a few months after I left. The new muchly-hyped $100,000 program for outreach has <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/quakerquest/seekers">this for its seekers page</a> and follows the typical FGC pattern, which is to sprinkle a few rotating tokens in with a retreat center full of potential donors to talk about Important Topics. (For those who care, I would have continued building the isolated Friends database, mapped it for hot spots and&nbsp;coordinated with the youth ministry committee&nbsp;to send teams for extended stays to help plant worship groups. How cool would that be? <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/passing_the_faith_planet_of_the_quakers_style.php">Another opportunity lost</a>.)<br>
<big><br>
So where do we go?<br>
</big><br>
I’m really sad to say we’re still largely on our own. According to actuarial tables, I’ve recently crossed my life’s halfway point and here I am still referencing generational change.</p>
<p>How I wish I could honestly say that I could get involved with any committee in my yearly meeting and get to work on the issues raised in “Younger Evangelicals and Younger Quakers.” Someone recently sent me an email thread between members of an outreach committee for another large East Coast yearly meeting and they were debating whether the internet was an appropriate place to do outreach work–in 2008?!? Britain Yearly Meeting has a beautifully produced <a href="http://quakerweek.org.uk/">new outreach website</a> but I don’t see one convinced young Friend profiled and it’s post-faith emphasis is downright depressing (an involved youngish American Friend looked at it and reminded me that despite occasional attention, smart young seekers serious about Quakerism aren’t anyone’s target audience, here in the US or apparently in Britain).</p>
<p>A number of interesting “Covergent” minded Friends have an insider/outsider relationship with institutional Quakerism. Independent worship groups popping up and more are being talked about (I won’t blow your cover guys!). I’ve seen Friends try to be more officially involved and it’s not always good: a bunch of younger Quaker bloggers have disappeared after getting named onto Important Committees, their online presence reduced to inside jokes on Facebook with their other newly-insider pals.</p>
<p><big>What do we need to do:</big></p>
<ul>
<li>We need to be public figures;</li>
<li>We need to reach real people and connect ourselves;</li>
<li>We need to stress the whole package: Quaker roots, outreach, personal involvement and not let ourselves get too distracted by hyped projects that only promise one piece of the puzzle.</li>
</ul>
<p><big>Here’s my to-do list:</big></p>
<ul>
<li>CONVERGENT OCTOBER: Wess Daniels has talked about everyone doing some outreach and networking around the “convergent” theme next month. I’ll try to arrange some Philly area meet-up and talk about some practical organizing issues on my blog.</li>
<li>LOCAL MEETUPS: I still think that FGC’s isolated Friends registry was one of its better ideas. Screw them, we’ll start one ourselves. I commit to making one. Email me if you’re interested;</li>
<li>LOCAL FRIENDS: I commit to finding half a dozen serious Quaker buddies in the drivable area to ground myself enough to be able to tip my toe back into the institutional miasma when led (thanks to <a href="http://valiantforthetruth.blogspot.com/">Micah B</a> who stressed some of this in a recent visit).</li>
<li>PUBLIC FIGURES: I’ve let my blog deteriorate into too much of a “life stream,” all the pictures and twitter messages all clogging up the more Quaker material. You’ll notice it’s been redesigned. The right bar has the “life stream” stuff, which can be bettered viewed and commented on on my Tumbler page, <a href="http://martinjkelley.tumblr.com/">Tumbld Rants</a>. I’ll try to keep the main blog (and its RSS feed) more seriously minded.</li>
</ul>
<p>I want to stress that I don’t want anyone to quit their meeting or anything. I’m just finding myself that I need a lot more than business-as-usual. I need people I can call lower-case friends, I need personal accountability, I need people willing to really look at what we need to do to be responsive to God’s call. Some day maybe there will be an established local meeting somewhere where I can find all of that. Until then we need to build up our networks.</p>
<p>Like a lot of my big idea vision essays, I see this one doesn’t talk much about God. Let me stress that coming under His direction is what this is all about. Meetings don’t exist for us. They faciliate our work in becoming a people of God. Most of the inward-focused work that make up most of Quaker work is self-defeating. Jesus didn’t do much work in the temple and didn’t spend much time at the rabbi conventions. He was out on the street, hanging out with the “bad” elements, sharing the good news one person at a time. We have to find ways to support one another in a new wave of grounded evangelism. Let’s see where we can all get in the next five years!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2004 18:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh my gosh, TheOoze has an amazing article on called “Orthodox Twenty-Somethings” (a review of “The New Faithful” and “The Younger Evangelicals”, a great book I’ve recommended. Read this article if you want to understand why Julie’s at a traditional Catholic Church and why I’m plain dressing. This is a bona fide phenomenon, folks. None [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh, TheOoze has an amazing article on called “Orthodox Twenty-Somethings”  (a review of “The New Faithful” and “<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/emergent_church_movement_the_younger_evangelicals_and_quaker_renewal.php">The Younger Evangelicals</a>”, a great book I’ve recommended. Read this article if you want to understand why Julie’s at a traditional Catholic Church and why I’m <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/my_experiments_with_plainness.php">plain dressing</a>. This is a bona fide phenomenon, folks.</p>
<blockquote><p>None of this is supposed to be happening because it’s not the project for which two generations of Protestant and Catholic clergy have worked… The push for relativist moral teaching, “simplified” worship, interchangeable sex roles, and an utter separation of private belief from political expression has come from the pulpit as readily as it has been demanded by pseudo-intellectual elites. But against all odds, portions of a modern American society, which groans to find itself secularist, is returning in a quiet revolution to the fundamental truths of the Christian religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Meanwhile, no one should miss Melynda Huskey’s wonderful rant in the <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/beyond_the_macguffins_sheerans_beyond_majority_rule.php#c154">comments of my “Beyond Majority Rule” review</a>. Warning: it skewers a beloved Quaker institution!</p>
<blockquote><p>Or maybe it was just the general whiff of the tomb–a really old tomb, all scent of decay long gone, and nothing left but dust and dead air. No Quakers here, pal. No George Fox rebuking priests from the next aisle. No Isaac Pennington seizing the moment of the Restoration to make Quakers as unpopular with the King and Court as they had been with the Protector and the Commonwealth. No Mary Dyer ready to swing off the gallows and into Glory for the sake of Light.</p></blockquote>
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					<description><![CDATA[A look at the generational shifts facing Friends. I’m currently reading Robert E. Webber’s The Younger Evangelicals: Facing the Challenges of the New World, which examines the cultural and generational shifts happening within the Christian Evangelical movement. At the bottom of this page is a handy chart that outlines the generational differences in theology, ecclesiastical [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>A look at the generational shifts facing Friends.</h3>
<p>I’m currently reading Robert E. Webber’s <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Younger-Evangelicals-The-Facing-Challenges/dp/0801091527">The Younger Evangelicals: Facing the Challenges of the New World</a></i>, which examines the cultural and generational shifts happening within the Christian Evangelical movement. At the bottom of this page is a handy chart that outlines the generational differences in theology, ecclesiastical paradigm, church polity that he sees. When I first saw it I said “yes!” to almost each category, as it clearly hits at the generational forces hitting Quakerism.</p>
<p>Unfortunately many Friends in leadership positions don’t really understand the problems facing Quakerism. Or: they do, but they don’t understand the larger shifts behind them and think that they just need to redouble their efforts using the old methods and models. The Baby Boom generation in charge knows the challenge is to reach out to seekers in their twenties or thirties, but they do this by developing programs that would have appealed to them when they were that age. The current crop of outreach projects and peace initiatives are all very 1980 in style. There’s no recognition that the secular peace community that drew seekers in twenty years ago no longer exists and that today’s seekers are looking for something deeper, something more personal and more real.</p>
<p>When younger Friends are included in the surveys and committees, they tend to be either the uninvolved children of important Baby Boom generation Quakers, or those thirty-something Friends that culturally and philosophically fit into the older paradigms. It’s fine that these two types of Friends are around, but neither group challenges Baby Boomer group-think. Outspoken younger Friends often end up leaving the Society in frustration after a few years.</p>
<p>It’s a shame. In my ten years attending a downtown Philadelphia Friends meeting, I easily met a hundred young seekers. They mostly cycled through, attending for periods ranging from a few months to a few years. I would often ask them why they stopped coming. Sometimes they were just nice and said life was too busy, but of course that’s not a real answer: you make time for the things that are important and that feed you in some way. But others told me they found the meeting unwelcoming, or Friends too self-congratulatory or superficial, the community more social than spiritual. I went back to this meeting one First Day after a two year absence and it was depressing how it was all the same faces. This is not a knock on this particular meeting, since the same dynamics are at work in most of the liberal-leaning meetings I’ve attended, both in the <span class="caps">FGC </span>and <span class="caps">FUM </span>worlds–it’s a generational cultural phenomenon. I have never found the young Quaker seeker community I know is out there, though I’ve glimpsed its individual faces a hundred times: always just out of reach, never gelling into a movement.</p>
<p>I’m not sure what the answers are. Luckily it’s not my job to have answers: I leave that up to Christ and only concern myself with being as faithful a servant to the Spirit as I can be (this spirit-led leadership style is exactly one of the generational shifts Webber talks about). I’ve been given a clear message that my job is to stay with the Society of Friends, that I might be of use someday. But there are a few pieces that I think will come out:</p>
<h3>A re-examination of our roots, as Christians and as Friends</h3>
<p>What babies were thrown out with the bathwater by turn-of-the-century Friends who embraced modernism and rationalism and turned their back on traditional testimonies? This will require challenging some of the sacred myths of contemporary Quakerism. There are a lot that aren’t particularly Quaker and we need to start admitting to that. I’ve personally taken up plain dress and find the old statements on the peace testimony much deeper and more meaningful than contemporary ones. I’m a professional webmaster and run a prominent pacifist site, so it’s not like I’m stuck in the nineteenth century; instead, I just think these old testimonies actually speak to our condition in the twenty-first Century.</p>
<h3>A Desire to Grow</h3>
<p>Too many Friends are happy with their nice cozy meetings. The meetings serve as family and as a support group, and a real growth would disrupt our established patterns. If Quakerism grew tenfold over the next twenty years we’d have to build meetinghouses, have extra worship, reorganize our committees. Involved Friends wouldn’t know all the other involved Friends in their yearly meeting. With more members we’d have to become more rigorous and disciplined in our committee meetings. Quakerism would feel different if it were ten times larger: how many of us would just feel uncomfortable with that. Many of our Meetings are ripe for growth, being in booming suburbs or thriving urban centers, but year after year they stay small. Many simply neglect and screw up outreach or religious education efforts as a way of keeping the meeting at its current size and with its current character.</p>
<h3>A more personally-involved, time-consuming commitment</h3>
<p>Religion in America has become yet another consumer choice, an entertainment option for Sunday morning, and this paradigm is true with Friends. We complain how much time our Quaker work takes up. We complain about clearness committees or visioning groups that might take up a Saturday afternoon. A more involved Quakerism would realize that the hour on First Day morning is in many ways the least important time to our Society. Younger seekers are looking for connections that are deeper and that will require time. We can’t build a Society on the cheap. It’s not money we need to invest, but our hearts and time.</p>
<p>I recently visited a Meeting that was setting up its first adult religious education program. When it came time to figure out the format, a weighty Friend declared that it couldn’t take place on the first Sunday of the month because that was when the finance committee met; the second Sunday was out because of the membership care committee; the third was out because of business meeting and so forth. It turned out that religious education could be squeezed into one 45-minute slot on the fourth Sunday of every month. Here was a small struggling meeting in the middle of an sympathetic urban neighborhood and they couldn’t spare even an hour a month on religious education or substantive outreach to new members. Modern Friends should not exist to meet in committees.</p>
<h3>A renewal of discipline and oversight</h3>
<p>These are taboo words for many modern Friends. But we’ve taken open-hearted tolerance so far that we’ve forgotten who we are. What does it mean to be a Quaker? Seekers are looking for answers. Friends have been able to provide them with answers in the past: both ways to conduct oneself in the world and ways to reach the divine. Many of us actually yearn for more care, attention and oversight in our religious lives and more connection with others.</p>
<h3>A confrontation of our ethnic and cultural bigotries</h3>
<p>Too much of Quaker culture is still rooted in elitist wealthy Philadelphia Main Line “Wasp” culture. For generations of Friends, the Society became an ethnic group you were born into. Too many Friends still care if your name is “Roberts,” “Jones,” “Lippencott,” “Thomas,” “Brinton.” A number of nineteenth-century Quaker leaders tried to make this a religion of family fiefdoms. There was a love of the world and an urge for to be respected by the outside world (the Episcopalians wouldn’t let you into the country clubs if you wore plain dress or got too excited about religion).</p>
<p>Today we too often confuse the culture of those families with Quakerism. The most obvious example to me is the oft-repeated phrase: “Friends don’t believe in proselytizing.” Wrong: we started off as great speakers of the Truth, gaining numbers in great quantities. It was the old Quaker families who started fretting about new blood in the Society, for they saw birthright membership as more important than baptism by the Holy Spirit. We’ve got a lot of baggage left over from this era, things we need to re-examine, including: our willingness to sacrifice Truth-telling in the name of politeness; an over-developed intellectualism that has become snobbery against those without advanced schooling; our taboo about being too loud or too “ethnic” in Meeting.</p>
<p>Note that I haven’t specifically mentioned racial diversity. This is a piece of the work we need to do and I’m happy that many Friends are working on it. But I think we’ll all agree that it will take more than a few African Americans with graduate degrees to bring true diversity. The Liberal branch of Friends spends a lot of time congratulating itself on being open, tolerant and self-examining and yet as far as I can tell we’re the least ethnically-diverse branch of American Quakers (I’m pretty sure, anyone with corroboration?). We need to re-examine and challenge the unwritten norms of Quaker culture that don’t arise from faith. When we have something to offer besides upper-class liberalism, we’ll find we can talk to a much wider selection of seekers.</p>
<h3>Can we do it?</h3>
<p>Can we do these re-examinations without ripping our Society apart? I don’t know. I don’t think the age of Quaker schisms is over, I just think we have a different discipline and church polity that let us pretend the splits aren’t there. We just self-select ourselves into different sub-groups. I’m not sure if this can continue indefinitely. Every week our Meetings for Worship bring together people of radically different beliefs and non-beliefs. Instead of worship, we have individual meditation in a group setting, where everyone is free to believe what they want to believe. This isn’t Friends’ style and it’s not satisfying to many of us. I know this statement may seem like sacrilege to many Friends who value tolerance above all. But I don’t think I’m the only one who would rather worship God than Silence, who longs for a deeper religious fellowship than that found in most contemporary Meetings. Quakerism will change and Modernism isn’t the end of history.</p>
<p>How open will we all be to this process? How honest will we get? Where will our Society end up? We’re not the only religion in America that is facing these questions.</p>
<table border="1" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2">
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<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><center>
<p align="center"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Traditional<br>
Evangelicals</b><br>
<b>1950–1975</b> </span></p>
<p></p></center></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><center>
<p align="center"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Pragmatic<br>
Evangelicals</b><br>
<b>1975–2000</b> </span></p>
<p></p></center></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><center>
<p align="center"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Younger<br>
Evangelicals</b><br>
<b>2000-</b> </span></p>
<p></p></center></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%">
<h1><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Theological<br>
Commitment</span></h1>
</td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Christianity<br>
as a rational worldview</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Christianity<br>
as therapy Answers needs</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Christianity<br>
as a community of faith.<br>
Ancient/Reformation</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Apologetics<br>
Style</b> </span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Evidential<br>
Foundational</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Christianity<br>
as meaning-giver<br>
Experiential<br>
Personal Faith</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Embrace<br>
the metanarrative<br>
Embodied apologetic<br>
Communal faith</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span><b>Ecclesial<br>
Paradigm</b> </span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Constantinian<br>
Church<br>
Civil Religion</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Culturally<br>
sensitive church<br>
Market Driven</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Missional<br>
Church<br>
Counter cultural</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Church<br>
Style</b> </span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Neighbourhood<br>
churches<br>
Rural</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Megachuruch<br>
Suburban<br>
Market targeted</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Small<br>
Church<br>
Back to cities<br>
Intercultural</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span><b>Leadership<br>
Style</b> </span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Pastor<br>
centred</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Managerial<br>
Model<br>
CEO</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span>Team<br>
ministry<br>
Priesthood of all</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Youth<br>
Ministry</b> </span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Church-centred<br>
programs</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Outreach<br>
Programs<br>
Weekend fun retreats</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Prayer,<br>
Bible Study, Worship, Social Action</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Education</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Sunday<br>
School<br>
Information centred</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Target<br>
generational groups and needs</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Intergenerational<br>
formation in community</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Spirituality</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Keep<br>
the rules</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Prosperity<br>
and success</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Authentic<br>
embodiment</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Worship</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Traditional</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Contemporary</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Convergence</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Art</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Restrained</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Art<br>
as illustration</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Incarnational<br>
embodiment</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Evangelism</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Mass<br>
evangelism</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Seeker<br>
Service</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Process<br>
evangelism</span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b>Activists</b><br>
</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Beginnings<br>
of evangelical social action</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Need-driving<br>
social action (divorce groups, drug rehab</span></td>
<td valign="top" width="25%"><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Rebuild<br>
cities and neighborhoods</span></td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<h3>See also:</h3>
<p><strong>On Quaker Ranter:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/it_will_be_there_in_decline_ou/">It Will Be There in Decline Our Entire Lives</a>. There’s a generation of young Christians disillusioned by modern church institutionalism who are writing and blogging under the “post-modern” “emergent church” labels. Do Friends have anything to offer these wearied seekers except more of the same hashed out institutionalism?</li>
<li><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/postliberals_postevangelicals/">Post-Liberals &amp; Post-Evangelicals?</a>, my observations from the November 2003 “Indie Allies” meet-up.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/sodium_free_friends/">Sodium-Free Friends</a>, a post of mine urging Friends to actively engage with our tradition and not just selectively edit out a few words which makes Fox sound like a seventeen century Thich Nhat Hanh. “We poor humans are looking for ways to transcend the crappiness of our war- and consumer-obsessed world and Quakerism has something to say about that.”</li>
<li><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/peace_and_twentysomethings/">Peace and Twenty-Somethings</a>: are the Emergent Church seekers creating the kinds of youth-led intentional communities that the peace movement inspired in the 1970s?</li>
</ul>
<h3>Elsewhere:</h3>
<ul>
<li>From Evangelical Friends Church Southwest comes an emergent church” church planting project called <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20051102070635/http://www.simplechurches.net/">Simple Churches</a> (since laid down, link is to archive). I love their intro: “As your peruse the links from this site please recognize that the Truth reflected in essays are often written with a ‘prophetic edge’, that is sharp, non compromising and sometimes radical perspective. We believe Truth can be received without ‘cursing the darkness’ and encourage you to reflect upon finding the ‘candle’ to light, personally, as you apply what you hear the Lord speaking to you.”</li>
<li>The emergent church movement hit the <em>New York Times</em> in February 2004. <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/emerging_church_movement_hits/">Here’s a link to the article and my thoughts about it</a>.</li>
<li>“Orthodox Twenty-Somethings,” a great article from TheOoze (now lost to a site redesign of theirs), and my intro to the article <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/swinging_off_the_gallows_and_i/">Want to understand us?</a></li>
<li>The blogger Punkmonkey talks about what a <a href="http://ginkworld.blogspot.com/2004/07/missional-community-of-faith.html">missional community of faith</a> would look like and it sounds a lot like what I dream of: “a missional community of faith is a living breathing transparent community of faith willing to get messy while reach out to, and bringing in, those outside the current community.”</li>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of the generational problems I see affecting Quakerism are not unique to us. The values of the Sixties generation have become the the new oppressive orthodoxy. In Quakerism, our “freedom from” (the past, Christianity, the testimonies understood as the reflections of faith) has become nearly complete, which means it’s become boring, and stifling. [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the generational problems I see affecting Quakerism are not unique to us. The values of the Sixties generation have become the the new oppressive orthodoxy. In Quakerism, our “freedom from” (the past, Christianity, the testimonies understood as the reflections of faith) has become nearly complete, which means it’s become boring, and stifling. There’s a refusal to take responsibility for matters of faith and so all truth is judged by how it affects one’s own individual spirituality (we’re all Ranters now, hence my website’s name). Where Friends once talked about the death of the rebellious self-will and the bearing the cross, we now endlessly share self-absorbed stories of our “spiritual journeys” (does it really matter, hasn’t Christ gotten us all here <i>now </i>and isn’t that the point?), while we toss out pseudo-religious feel-good buzzwords like “nurture” and “community” like they’re party favors.</p>
<p>I often feel like I’m talking to a brick wall when I talk about these issues (can’t we just all be nurturing without being told to, simply because it’s the right way to be?). Fortunately, there are some fascinating sites from thirty-somethings also seeing through the generational crisis affect Christians. Right now I’m reading <a title="jordoncooper.com :: more living, less punditry" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.jordoncooper.sk.ca/2003_07_01_archives.html#105962647426345837">Pastoral Softness</a>, a post from Jordan Cooper, a pastor in a community church in Saskatchewan, and this paragraph just hits me so hard:</p>
<blockquote><p>The modern church is not going to listen to us, it won’t affirm us, or give us any of its resources there is no point anymore in letting it get to us. It will be there in decline our entire lives and will probably go down fighting and wasting a lot of lives and money but to let that define us spiritually will be an even bigger loss. We can’t blame it for being what it is and if we are going to have a long term future in serving God, we need to stop looking at our environment and instead in our hearts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Serious stuff, indeed, and I suspect some Friends would elder me for even repeating it. But its really the same message that Christ gave a young man 350 years ago:</p>
<blockquote><p>When all my hopes in them and in all men were gone, so that I had nothing outwardly to help me, nor could I tell what to do, then, oh, then, I heard a voice which said, “There is one, even Christ Jesus, that can speak to thy condition”; and when I heard it, my heart did leap for joy. Then the Lord let me see why there was none upon the earth that could speak to my condition, namely, that I might give Him all the glory. (<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.strecorsoc.org/gfox/ch01.html">Journal of George Fox</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Everyone knows the first part but it’s the last sentence that’s been speaking to me for at least the last year. Does Christ make the insitutions fail us just so He can direct our gaze to the true Source? And isn’t this what Quaker simplicity is all about: keeping our minds as undistracted as possible so we can see the real deal?</p>
<p>Cooper did an <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.theooze.com/articles/article.cfm?id=385">interview with Robert Webber</a>, an author I know nothing about but who’s apparently written a few books dealing with the new generation of Evangelicals. I sometimes stumble across people and wonder if there’s not some kindred culture out there that’s just out of reach because it’s supposedly on some other side of an theological rift. Anyway, Webber says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The pragmatic churches have become institutionalized — with some exceptions. They responded to the sixties and seventies, created a culture-driven church and don’t get that the world has changed again. Pragmatics, being fixed, have little room for those who are shaped by the postmodern revolution.</p></blockquote>
<p>A lot of these evangelicals are reaching for something that looks very much like early Quakerism (which self-consciously reached toward early Christianity). I’d like to think that Friends have something to offer these seekers and that there could be a dynamic re-emergence of Quakerism. But to be honest, most Quakers I know don’t have anything to offer these wearied seekers except more of the same hashed out institutionalism, with different flavored toppings (differences of social stands, e.g., pacifism, attitudes towards gays). I know John Punshon’s been talking a lot about Quakers’ possible intersection with a larger renewed evangelism but I’m ashamed to admit I haven’t read <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FReasons-Hope-Future-Friends-Church%2Fdp%2F0944350569%2Fsr%3D8-1%2Fqid%3D1171139226%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks&amp;tag=nonviolenceor-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325">Reasons for Hope</a><img decoding="async" src="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315im_/http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=nonviolenceor-20&amp;l=ur2&amp;o=1" alt width="1" height="1" border="0">yet. I’ll do that soon.</p>
<p><b>Update:</b><br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.jordoncooper.sk.ca/postmodern/comparison.html">Comparison chart of traditional, pragmatic, and younger evangelicals</a> from Robert Webber by way of Jordan Cooper. Very interesting.</p>
<p><b>More Online Reading:</b><br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.leadingdyingchurches.com/">Leading Dying Churches</a><br>
<a title="jordoncooper.com :: more living, less punditry" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.jordoncooper.sk.ca/">Jordan Cooper</a><br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://www.theooze.com/">The Ooze</a><br>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090106044315/http://indieallies.meetup.com/">“Indieallies” Meetup to connect with local readers of these sites</a></p>
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