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		<title>Hey who am I to decide anything</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at ten years of FGC Gathering workshops on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns. It’s kind of interesting [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at <a href="http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/reflections-on-a-decade-of-nontheism-workshops/">ten years of FGC Gathering workshops</a> on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns.</p>
<p>It’s kind of interesting to look at the process by which new theologies are being added into Liberal Quakerism at an ever-increasing rate.</p>
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<li>Membership of individuals in meetings. There are hundreds of meetings in liberal Quakerism that range all over the theological map. Add to that the widespread agreement that theological unity with the meeting is not required and just about anyone believing anything could be admitted somewhere (or “grandfathered in” as a birthright member).</li>
<li>A workshop at the <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/gathering">Friends General Conference Gathering</a> and especially a regular workshop at successive Gatherings. Yet as the very informed comments on a post a few years ago showed, <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2005/03/fgc_gathering_program_is_up_wh/">theology is not something the planning workshop committee is allowed to look&nbsp;at</a> and at least one proponent of a new theology has gotten themselves on the deciding committee. The Gathering is essentially built on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chautauqua">nondenominational Chautaqua model</a> and FGC is perfectly happy to sponsor workshops that are in apparent conflict with its own mission statement.</li>
<li>An article published in <a href="www.friendsjournal.org"><em>Friends Journal</em></a>. When the the Quaker Sweat Lodge was struggling to claim legitimacy it all but changed its name to the “Quaker Sweat Lodge as featured in the February 2002 Friends Journal.” It’s a good magazine’s job to publish articles that make people think and a smart magazine will know that articles that provoke a little controversy is good for circulation. I very much doubt the editorial team at the Journal considers its agreement to publish to be an inoculation against critique.</li>
<li>A website and listserv. Fifteen dollars at <a href="www.godaddy.com">GoDaddy.com</a> and you’ve got the web address of your dreams. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com">Yahoo Group</a> is free.</li>
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<p>There are probably other mechanisms of legitimacy. My point is not to give comprehensive guidelines to would-be campaigners. I simply want to note that none of the actors in these decisions is consciously thinking “hey, I think I’ll expand the definition of liberal Quaker theology today.” In fact I expect they’re mostly passing the buck, thinking “hey, who am I to decide anything like that.”</p>
<p>None of these decision-making processes are meant to serve as tools to dismiss opposition. The organizations involved are not handing out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprimatur">Imprimaturs</a> and would be quite horrified if they realized their agreements were being seen that way. Amy Clark, a commenter on my last post, on <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/events/2007-yfna/">this summer’s reunion and camp</a> for the once-young members of Young Friends North America, had a very interesting comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree that YFNA has become FGC: those previously involved in YFNA have taken leadership with FGC … with both positive and negative results. Well … now we have a chance to look at the legacy we are creating: do we like it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have the feeling that the current generation of liberal Quaker leadership doesn’t quite believe it’s leading liberal Quakerism. By “leadership” I don’t mean the small skim of the professional Quaker bureaucracy (whose members can get _too_ self-inflated on the leadership issue) but the committees, clerks and volunteers that get most of the work done from the local to national levels. We are the inheritors of a proud and sometimes foolish tradition and our actions are shaping its future but I don’t think we really know that. I have no clever solution to the issues I’ve outlined here but I think becoming conscious that we’re creating our own legacy is an important first step.</p>
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		<title>Love is unconditional and accepts us for who we are</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I tried to post this as a comment on “this piece by James Riemermann”:http://feeds.quakerquaker.org/quaker?m=299 on the Nontheist Friends website but the site experienced a technical difficulty when I tried to submit it (hope it’s back up soon!). James describes his post as a “rant” about “conservative-leaning liberal Friends,” and one theme that got picked up [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to post this as a comment on “this piece by James Riemermann”:http://feeds.quakerquaker.org/quaker?m=299 on the Nontheist Friends website but the site experienced a technical difficulty when I tried to submit it (hope it’s back up soon!). James describes his post as a “rant” about “conservative-leaning liberal Friends,” and one theme that got picked up in the comments was how he and others felt excluded by us (for that is a term I use to try to describe my spiritual condition). Rather than loose the comment I’ll just post it here.<br>
Hi James and everyone,<br>
Well, I think I was one of the first of the Quaker bloggers to talk about <a href="http://www.nonviolence.org/martink/conservative_liberal_quakers_and_not_becoming_a_leastcommondenominator_sentimental_faith.php">conservative-leaning liberal Quakers</a> back in July 2003. I too am not sure it’s anything worth calling a “movement.”<br>
I hear this feeling of being excluded but I’m not sure where that’s coming from. When James had a really wonderful, thought-provoking response to my “We’re All Ranters Now” piece, I asked him if I could “reprint” the comment as its <a href="http://www.nonviolence.org/martink/james_r_i_am_what_i_am.php">own guest piece</a>. It got a lot of attention, a lot of comments. I didn’t realize you were using nontheistfriends.org as a blog these days but “Robin M”:http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_robin_m/ of “What Canst Thou Say”:http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/ did and has added a link to your post from “QuakerQuaker.org”:www.quakerquaker.org, which again is a validation that yours is an important voice (I can pretty much guarantee that this is going to be one of the more followed links). You and everyone here are part of the family.<br>
Yes, we have some disagreements. I don’t think Quakerism is simply made up of whoever makes it into the meetinghouse. I think we have a tradition that we’ve inherited. This consists of practices and values and ways of looking at the world. Much of that tradition comes from the gospel of Jesus and the epistles between the earliest Christian communities. Much of what might feel like neutral Quaker practice is a clear echo of that tradition, and that echo is what I talk about that in my blogs. I think it’s good to know where we’re coming from. That doesn’t mean we’re stuck there and we adapt it as our revelation changes (this attitude is why I’m a liberal Friend no matter how much I talk about Christ). These blog conversations are the ways we share our experiences, minister to and comfort one another.<br>
That people hold different religious understandings and practices isn’t in itself inherently exclusionary. Diversity is good for us, right? There’s no one Quaker center. There’s mulitiple conversations happening in multiple languages, much of it gloriously overlapping on the electronic pathways of the internet. That’s wonderful, it shows a great vitality. The religious tradition that is Quakerism is not dead, not mothballed away in a living history museum somewhere. It’s alive, with its assumptions and boundaries constantly being revisited. That’s cool. If a particular post feels too carping, there’s always the “eldering of the back button,” as I like to call it. Let’s try to hear each other from where we are and to remain open to the ministry from those who might appear to be coming from a different place. Love is the first movement and love is unconditional and accepts us for who we are.<br>
I better stop this before I get too mushy, with all this talk of love! See what I mean about being a liberal Quaker?<br>
Your Friend, Martin</p>
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