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		<title>Traveling in the ministry in the “old style”</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2018 20:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels on Lloyd Lee Wilson’s traveling style Most folks can guess what it means to travel in the ministry. You visit different churches and meetings and share gifts of ministry with the community there. “In the old style” is a reference to how many early Friends would travel, by sensing a call to go [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels on Lloyd Lee Wilson’s traveling style</p>
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  Most folks can guess what it means to travel in the ministry. You visit different churches and meetings and share gifts of ministry with the community there. “In the old style” is a reference to how many early Friends would travel, by sensing a call to go and worship with Friends in other parts of the country and world, with no clear outcome or goal, and only trusting that by showing up and worshiping with Friends “something divinely good would happen.”
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<p>http://gatheringinlight.com/2018/11/21/on-traveling-in-the-ministry/</p>
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		<title>Painting for Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn’t know of Adrian Martinez before I was introduced to him in this QuakerSpeak video. He seems like quite a character (“art attack!”) but I’m intrigued at how his paintings have brought primal Quaker values into unexpected spaces like the White House (not the occupant you might guess!) and corporate America. His story of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t know of Adrian Martinez before I was introduced to him in <a href="http://quakerspeak.com/painting-for-worship/">this QuakerSpeak video</a>. He seems like quite a character (“art attack!”) but I’m intrigued at how his paintings have brought primal Quaker values into unexpected spaces like the White House (not the occupant you might guess!) and corporate America. His story of a very specifically Quaker picture being bought for a boardroom hints at messages Friends might still have for the world:</p>
<blockquote><p>The painting I did, Meeting for Worship, I just knew was not something that was going to get sold. It was not an economic decision. It was a necessity to do, nonetheless. When I did it, I had this big show and it was immediately purchased. First one. And it’s interesting: where it went went was the boardroom of an insurance agency. The man that owned the company bought the painting because he said, “The reason I need this painting, and I need it in the boardroom, is because we need more of that in our business.”</p></blockquote>
<p>http://quakerspeak.com/painting-for-worship/</p>
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		<title>Story: The teapot that survived</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 01:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“What do you think of this?” It was probably the twentieth time my brother or I had asked this question in the last hour. Our mother had downsized to a one-bedroom apartment in an Alzheimer’s unit just six days earlier. Visiting her there she admitted she couldn’t even remember her old apartment. We were cleaning [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>“What do you think of this?” It was probably the twentieth time my brother or I had asked this question in the last hour. Our mother had downsized to a one-bedroom apartment in an Alzheimer’s unit just six days earlier. Visiting her there she admitted she couldn’t even remember her old apartment. We were cleaning it out.</p>



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<p>The object of the question this time was an antique teapot. White china with a blue design. It wasn’t in great shape. The top was cracked and missing that handle that lets you take the lid off without burning your fingers. It had a folksy charm, but as a teapot it was neither practical nor particularly attractive, and neither of us really wanted it. It was headed for the oversized trash bin outside her room.</p>



<p>I turned it over in my hands. There, on the bottom, was a strip of dried-out and cracked masking tape. On it, barely legible and in the kind of cursive script that is no longer taught, were the words “Recovered from ruins of fire 6/29/23 at 7. 1067 Hazard Rd.”</p>



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<p>We scratched our heads. We didn’t know where Hazard Road might be. Google later revealed it’s in the blink-and-you-miss-it railroad stop of Hazard, Pennsylvania, a crossroads only technically within the boundary of our mother’s home town of Palmerton, Pennsylvania. The date would place the fire seven years before her birth.</p>



<p>We can only guess to fill in the details. A catastrophic fire must have taken out the family home. Imagine the grim solace of pulling out a family heirloom. Perhaps some grandparent had brought it carefully packed in a small suitcase on the journey to America. Or perhaps not. Perhaps it had no sentimental value and it had landed with our mother because no one else cared. We’ll never know. No amount of research could tell us more than that masking tape. Our mother wasn’t the only one losing her memory. We were too. We were losing the family memory of a generation that had lived, loved, and made it through a tragedy one mid-summer day.</p>



<p>I stood there and looked at the teapot once again. It had survived a fire ninety years ago. I would give it a&nbsp;reprieve&nbsp;from our snap judgement and the dump. Stripped of all meaning save three inches of masking tape, it now sits on a top shelf of my cupboard. It will rest there, gathering back the dust I just cleaned off, until some spring afternoon forty years from now, when one of my kids will turn to another. “What do you think of this?”</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Update March 2017</h3>



<p>Beyond all odds, there’s actually more information. Someone has put up obituaries from the <em>Morning Call</em> newspaper. It includes the <a href="http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;db=mcobits&amp;id=I02533">May&nbsp;1922 notice for&nbsp;Alvin H. Noll</a>, my mother’s great grandfather.</p>



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<p>Alvin H. Noll, a well known resident of Palmerton, died at his home, at that place, on Sunday morning, aged 66 years. He was a member of St. John’s church, Towamensing, and also a prominent member of Lodge, No. 440, I.O. of A., Bowmanstown. He is survived by two daughters, Mrs. Lewis Sauerwine, Slatington, and Mrs. Fred Parry, this city; three sons, Purietta Noll, Samuel Noll and Thomas Noll, Palmerton. Two sisters, Mrs. Mary Schultz, Lehighton; Miss Amanda Noll, Bowmanstown; two brothers, Aaron Noll, Bowmanstown, and William Noll, Lehighton. Ten grandchildren also survive. Funeral services will be held at the home of his son, Purietta (sic) Noll, 1067 Hazard Road, Palmerton, on Wednesday at 1.30 p.m., daylight saving time. Further services will be held in St. John’s church, Towamensing. Interment will be made in Towamensing cemetery.</p>
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<p>And there it is: 1067 Hazard Road, home of my mother’s grandfather Puriette&nbsp;Franklin Noll one year before the fire (now more commonly called Mauch Chunk Road). So I’ll add a picture of Puriette and his wife Elizabeth with my Mom eight years after the fire, at what the photo says is their Columbia Avenue home. Wow!</p>



<figure class="wp-block-image is-resized wp-image-38502 size-medium"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" width="213" height="300" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/F345B69F-A1EA-45F0-B080-0CFB91F548ED.jpg?resize=213%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt class="wp-image-38502" style="aspect-ratio:1;object-fit:cover;width:652px;height:auto" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/F345B69F-A1EA-45F0-B080-0CFB91F548ED.jpg?resize=213%2C300&amp;ssl=1 213w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/F345B69F-A1EA-45F0-B080-0CFB91F548ED.jpg?resize=726%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 726w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/F345B69F-A1EA-45F0-B080-0CFB91F548ED.jpg?w=992&amp;ssl=1 992w" sizes="(max-width: 213px) 100vw, 213px"><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">The oldest picture of of my mom, Liz, from 1931. Elizabeth “Lizzie” “Grammy” Williams Noll, Elizabeth Kleintop, Puerette “Puri” “Pappy” Noll. On porch of Columbia Ave. home, Palmerton, Pa.</figcaption></figure>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Update May 2026</h3>



<p>My wife pulled the teapot from our cabinet this weekend and suggested we didn’t need it because its lid was cracked. The miracle of superglue fixed that, 100-plus years after the fire. </p>



<p>Also, the modern magic of image AI suggests that the teapot probably hails from Arita (Saga Prefecture) or Seto (Aichi Prefecture) in Japan and was produced between the 1890s and 1930s: “These regions are globally famous for their cobalt-blue underglaze decoration on white porcelain.” There goes my earlier supposition that it might have been packed in anyone’s suitcase during a transatlantic voyage. Nice versions of these antiques go from $40-$80 on eBay. </p>
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		<title>A traveling bus museum visits Quakerranter HQ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This weekend we’ve had a museum parked in our driveway. It’s the “BUS-eum” from the Traces Center for History and Culture in St. Paul, hosting a traveling exhibit on German POW’s in the US during World War II. We were happy to host the BUS-eum’s Irving Kellman over the weekend in-between stops in Cape May [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>This weekend we’ve had a museum parked in our driveway. It’s the “BUS-eum” from the <a href="http://traces.org/">Traces Center for History and Culture</a> in St. Paul, hosting a traveling exhibit on <a href="http://traces.org/Buseum_3_tour/Held%20in%20the%20Heartland%20Current/HeldintheHeartlandCurrent.html">German POW’s in the US during World War II</a>. We were happy to host the BUS-eum’s <a href="http://traces.org/Personnel/Irving_Kellman_bio.html">Irving Kellman</a> over the weekend in-between stops in Cape May Courthouse and Vineland. &nbsp;I asked him to give us the story of the German POWs on video.</p>
<p>As you might guess, there was a lot of Quaker connections in the 1940, with American Friends Service Committee involvement.&nbsp;Traces’ director <a href="http://traces.org/Personnel/Luick-Thrams_Michael_bio.html">Michael Luick-Thrams</a> is a Friend and did his PhD thesis on the <a href="http://www.traces.org/scattergood.html">Scattergood Hostel</a>, a refugee camp set up at the then-abandoned <a href="http://www.scattergood.org/">Friends school in Iowa</a>. Many of the BUS-eum’s stops are Friends Schools, with public libraries being another common destination.</p>
<p>The visit was made with help from FGC’s <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/quakerpress/directory-traveling-friends">Directory of Traveling Friends</a>. I think this is the first time we’ve actually had a visitor after a decade of being listed there (most past inquiries have fallen through when they looked at a map and realized our distance from Pendle Hill, New York City or whatever other destination brought them east).</p>
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		<title>I too can buy kid clothes!</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[!&#62;http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/16606/2001600235028037539_rs.jpg! A possible addition to my page of “odd search phrases”:https://www.quakerranter.org/its_light_that_makes_me_uncomfortable_and_other_googlisms.php that bring people to my site is this one from early this afternoon: “Why Men Shouldn’t be Allowed to Buy Clothes for Children”:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#38;q=Why%20Men%20Shouldn%27t%20be%20Allowed%20to%20Buy%20Clothes%20for%20Children&#38;btnG=Search There’s QuakerRanter.org at number eleven. Oh the shame of it! I’m going to run to W*LM*RT right now, well I would [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>!&gt;http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/16606/2001600235028037539_rs.jpg! A possible addition to my page of “odd search phrases”:https://www.quakerranter.org/its_light_that_makes_me_uncomfortable_and_other_googlisms.php that bring people to my site is this one from early this afternoon:<br>
“Why Men Shouldn’t be Allowed to Buy Clothes for Children”:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=Why%20Men%20Shouldn%27t%20be%20Allowed%20to%20Buy%20Clothes%20for%20Children&amp;btnG=Search<br>
There’s QuakerRanter.org at number eleven. Oh the shame of it! I’m going to run to W*LM*RT right now, well I would if only I kind of knew the kid’s sizes, ummm… I could call Julie at work and ask her I guess…</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Poor Cindy Sheehan, the famous anti-war mom who camped outside Bush’s Crawford Texas home following the death of her son in Iraq. News comes today that she’s all but “resigned from the protest movement”:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_us/cindy_sheehan. She posted the following “on her Daily Kos blog”:http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525 bq. The first conclusion is that I was the darling of the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Cindy Sheehan, the famous anti-war mom who camped outside Bush’s Crawford Texas home following the death of her son in Iraq. News comes today that she’s all but “resigned from the protest movement”:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070529/ap_on_re_us/cindy_sheehan. She posted the following “on her Daily Kos blog”:http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/28/12530/1525<br>
bq. The first conclusion is that I was the darling of the so-called left as long as I limited my protests to George Bush and the Republican Party. Of course, I was slandered and libeled by the right as a “tool” of the Democratic Party… However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the “left” started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used. I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of “right or left”, but “right and wrong.”<br>
The sad truth is that she was used. Much of the power and money in the anti-war movement comes from Democratic Party connections. Her tragic story, soccer mom looks and articulate idealism made her a natural poster girl for an anti-Bush movement that has never really been as anti-war as it’s claimed.<br>
Congressional Democrats had all the information they needed in 2002  to expose President Bush’s outlandish claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But they “authorized his war of aggression anyway”:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution. More recently, Americans gave them a landslide vote of confidence in last November’s elections but still they step back from insisting on an Iraq pull-out. The Nonviolence.org archives are full of denunciations of President Clinton’s repeated missile attacks on places like the Sudan and Afghanistan; before reinventing himself as a earth-toned eco candidate, Al Gore positioned himself as the pro-war hawk of the Democratic Party.<br>
Anti-war activists need to build alliances and real change will need to involve insiders of both major American political parties. But as long as the movement is fueled with political money it will be beholden to those interests and will ultimately defer to back-room Capital Hill deal-making.<br>
I feel for Cindy. She’s been on a publicity roller coaster these past few years. I hope she finds the rest she needs to re-ground herself. Defeating war is the work of a lifetime and it’s the work of a movement. Sheehan’s witness has touched people she’ll never meet. It’s made a difference.  She’s a woman of remarkable courage who’s pointing out the puppet strings she’s cutting as she steps off the stage. Hats off to you Cindy.</p>
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<p>Nonviolence.org’s fundraising campaign ends in a few hours. In four months we’ve raised $150 which doesn’t even cover that period’s server costs. This project celebrates its twelfth year this fall and accurately “exposed the weapons of mass destruction hoaxes”:http://www.nonviolence.org/weapons_of_mass_destruction/ in real time as they were being thrust on a gullible Congress. Cindy signed off:<br>
bq. Good-bye America …you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can’t make you be that country unless you want it. It’s up to you now.<br>
Sometimes I really have to unite with that sentiment.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Via 37Signal’s Signals vs. Noise blog I came across a fascinating post written by Brian Fling of Blue last year on pricing a project. I’d like to talk about it and to explain my own philosophy. First a extended quote from Brian: I find it funny… in a sad sort of way, that we often [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Via 37Signal’s <a href="http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts">Signals vs. Noise blog</a> I came across a fascinating post written by Brian Fling of  Blue last year on <a href="http://www.blueflavor.com/blog/tips_tricks/pricing_a_project.php">pricing a project</a>. I’d like to talk about it and to explain my own philosophy. First a extended quote from Brian:</p>
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<p>I find it funny… in a sad sort of way, that we often<br>
start out our partnership with bluffing, no one saying what they are<br>
really thinking… how much they are willing to pay and how much it<br>
should cost… Though every book I’ve read on the topic of pricing says<br>
to never ever ballpark, I have a tendency to do so. If they can’t<br>
disclose the budget I typically try to start throwing a few numbers<br>
from previous projects to help gauge the scope of what we are talking<br>
about, call it a good faith effort to start the discussion… While this<br>
is very awkward part of the discussion it is almost always followed by<br>
candor. It’s as if once someone starts telling the truth, it opens a<br>
door that can’t be closed.</p>
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<p>I completely agree that candor is the only way to work with clients.<br>
Maybe it’s the Quaker influence: we reportedly pioneered fixed pricing<br>
back when everyone haggled, with the philosophy that charging true<br>
costs were the only honest way of doing business. My official <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/contact/">rates and contact page</a> includes my list of “typical costs” — essentially these are the “ballpark estimates” that Brian talks about.</p>
<p>When I put together estimates I base it on my best-guess informed<br>
estimates. I start by tabulating the client’s requested features and<br>
determining how I’ll achieve them. I then estimate how long it will<br>
take me to implement each feature and use that to determine a<br>
first-guess for project cost. I then compare it to past projects, to<br>
make sure I’m being realistic. I know myself well enough to know I<br>
always want to underestimate costs–I usually like the project and want<br>
to make it affordable to clients!–so I do force myself a reality check<br>
that usually ends up adding a few hours to the estimate. </p>
<p>When I put together my official estimate I try to guess where<br>
potential bottlenecks might happen. Sometimes these are technical<br>
issues and something they’re more social. For example, a client might<br>
be very particular about the design and the back-and-forth can take<br>
longer than expected. If I think anything like this might happen I<br>
mention it in the estimate. Sometimes as we work through the details of<br>
a feature I’ll learn that the client wants some enhancement that we<br>
hadn’t talked about previously and which I didn’t factor into the<br>
estimate.</p>
<p>When I do see a particular part of the work taking longer than<br>
expected I flag it with the client. I try to keep them informed that<br>
this will add to total costs. In many cases, clients have been happy to<br>
go with the extra work: I simply want to make sure that we both are<br>
aware that the estimate is changing before the work happens. </p>
<p>I charge by the hour rather than on a per-project basis since I find<br>
it to be a much more open business model. Brian Fling’s post agrees:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The problem [with per-project billing is that] one way<br>
or another somebody loses, either the client pays too much, meaning<br>
paying more than it’s market value, or the vendor eats into their<br>
profit… One benefits to hourly billing is the client is responsible for<br>
increases of scope, protecting the vendor and the customer. If the<br>
project is completed early the client pays less, protecting the client.<br>
This puts the onus on both parties to communicate regularly and work<br>
more effectively.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I have very little overhead: a home office, laptop and <span class="caps">DSL.</span><br>
This means my rates are very competitive (one client described it as<br>
“less than plumbers and electricians charge, more than the kid who mows<br>
the lawn”). Being very careful with estimates mean that I often<br>
communicate a lot with clients before I “start the clock.” I’ve often<br>
worked with them a few hours before the estimate is in and we’re moving<br>
forward and of course some of this un-billed work doesn’t result in a<br>
job.</p>
<p>Putting together fabulous websites is fun work. It’s very much a<br>
back-and-forth process with clients, and it’s often impossible to know<br>
just what the site will look like and just how it will work until the<br>
site actually launches. Half of my clientele have never had websites<br>
before, making the work even more interesting! It’s my professional<br>
responsibility to make sure I work with clients to foresee costs, dream<br>
big, but most of all to be open and honest about costs as the process<br>
unfolds.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess folks might wonder why the son of the Quaker Ranter is getting baptized in a Roman Catholic church… [box]An updated note before I start: I don’t want this to be seen as a critique or put-down of any particular individuals but to point out what seems to me to be a pretty obvious [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess folks might wonder why the son of the Quaker Ranter is getting baptized in a Roman Catholic church…</p>
<p>[box]An updated note before I start: I don’t want this to be seen as a critique or put-down of any particular individuals but to point out what seems to me to be a pretty obvious larger dynamic within Quakerism: our religious education programs have not been doing a very good job at transmitting our faith to our young people. One measure of such programs is how many children we retain as actively-participating adults; by such measures I think we can say Quakers are failing.</p>
<p>And, a few perhaps obvious disclaimers: 1) there are deeply faithful people who grew up in Young Friends programs; 2) there are religious ed instructors who are worried about the message we’re giving our young people and fret as I do; 3) there are a lot of members of the RSoF who just don’t think teaching distinctly Quaker faithfulness is important and wouldn’t agree that there’s a problem.</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s useful to read this without also looking to my early article, <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2003/09/the_lost_quaker_generation">The Lost Quaker Generation</a>, which mourns the friends I’ve seen drop out of Quakerism (many of them “birthright,” i.e., born into Quaker families), and <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2003/11/were_all_ranters_now_on_libera/">We’re all Ranters Now</a>, which argues that our society of seekers needs to become a society of finders if we are to be able to articulate a faith to transmit.<br>
[/box]</p>
<p>On June 30, 2000, Julie and I met at a national gathering of Quakers. Fourteen months later we were married at the Woodstown Friends Meetinghouse under the care of the Atlantic City Area Friends Meeting. Roughly fourteen months later, when the sparkles in our eyes were meeting with an approving nod from God and our baby was conceived, I was co-clerk of <a href="http://www.acquakers.org">Atlantic City Area Meeting</a> and Julie was clerk of its Outreach Committee. Ten months later, <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_kelley/438069823/_">our infant son Theo was baptized</a> at Mater Ecclesiae Roman Catholic Church in Berlin, N.J. It’s Julie’s new church; I myself remain Quaker, but without a Meeting I can quite call home. What happened?</p>
<p>I don’t want to try to speak for Julie and why she left Friends to return to the faith she was brought up in. But I do have to testify that the reverence, spirit and authenticity of the worship at Mater Ecclesiae is deeper than that in most Friends Meetinghouses. It’s a church with a lot of members who seem to believe in the real presence of Christ. A disclaimer that Mater Ecclesiae is unusual, one of the few churches in the country that uses the traditional <a href="http://www.materecclesiae.org/rite">Tridentine Mass</a> or Roman Rite, and that it attracts ardent followers who have self-selected themselves, in that they’re not going to their local parish church. I don’t think it’s the Catholicism alone that draws Julie–I think the purposefulness of the worshipers is a large piece. Despite all the distractions (chants, Latin, rote confessions of faith: I’m speaking as a Friend), the worship there is unusually gathered. But more: there’s a groundedness to the faith. In a one-on-one conversation the priest explained to me the ways he thought Quakerism was wrong. I wasn’t offended–quite the contrary, I loved it! It was so refreshing to meet someone who believed what he believed, (Hey, if I didn’t believe in the <a href="http://www.strecorsoc.org/gfox/ch14.html">degeneration of the Roman Catholic Church</a> or the empty professions of <a href="http://chaucer.library.emory.edu/cgi-bin/sgml2html/wwrp.pl?act=text&amp;f=%2Fdata%2Fwomen_writers%2Fdata%2FQuaker.sgm&amp;offset=2407&amp;len=87676&amp;prior=0&amp;next=1&amp;endpos=83627&amp;elmt=DIV1&amp;t=Introduction-%20%20Introduction%20to%20A%20Testimony%20for%20Truth%20against%20all%20Hireling-Priests%20and%20Deceivers%20.%20.%20.%20.%20%20%201655%3B%20%20A%20Warning%20to%20all%20Friends%20who%20Professeth%20the%20Everlasting%20Truth%20.%20.%20.%20.%20%20">hireling priests</a>, I might join him. I also feel comfortable predicting that he would welcome my jousting here.)</p>
<p>What I can talk about is my misgivings about the prospect of raising up Theo as a Quaker in Philadelphia Yearly Meeting. The weakest element of the Religious Society of Friends is its children’s religious education. This is something I’ve seen manifested in two different kinds of ways: content and results.</p>
<p>Quakers have remarkably few expectations of their children. It’s considered remarkable if older children spend a whole ten minutes in Meeting for Worship (I’ve heard adult birthright Friends boast that they’ve never sat through a whole hour of Quaker worship). Quakers are obsessed about listening to what children have to say, and so never share with them what they believe. I’ve known adults birthright Friends who have never had conversations with their parents about the basis of their faith.</p>
<p>Quaker religious education programs often forgo teaching traditional Quaker faith and practice for more faddish beliefs. The basement walls of the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting youth center is painted over with dancing gods, while of the big events of the Young Friends’ annual calendar is a “Quaker sweat lodge”. A culture of touch and physicality (“cuddle puddles”, backrubs) is thought charming and immodest dress is considered a sign of rebellious individuality. Quaker schools publish brochures saying Meeting for Worship is all about “thinking, with God given little notice.” When Quakers want to have “intergenerational” worship, they feel they have to program it with some sort of attention-keeping playtime activity (Mater Ecclesiae echoes Quaker tradition here: “intergenerational” means children sitting through and participating in Mass with the adults).</p>
<p>Too many of the people my age and Julie’s who were brought up at Friends are ignorant of basic Quaker beliefs and are unaware of Quaker traditions (FUM, EFI, Conservatives) outside the easy-going East Coast liberalism they were raised in. For them being a Friend is acting a certain way, believing a certain brand of political philosophy and being part of a certain social group. Too many Young Adult Friends I’ve known over the years are cliquish, irreligious, and have more than their share of issues around intimacy and sexuality.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong: these kids are often really good people, children to be proud of, doing great things in the world. Many of them are open-hearted, spiritually-sensitive, and in deeply grounded relationships. But only a very few are practicing Quakers. And when I look at the religious education they get, I can’t say I’m surprised. If I were to raise Theo as a Quaker, I would have to “home school” him away from most of the religious education programs offered locally. When all the kids scramble out of worship after ten minutes I’d have to say “no” and tell him to keep sitting–how weird would that be?</p>
<p>Theo has a better chance of sharing the traditional Quaker values of the presence of Christ, of Holy Obedience, and of bearing the cross by being raised as a Catholic in a traditionalist church. It’s more likely he’ll turn out Quaker if he’s baptised at Mater Ecclesiae. Julie and I will be teaching him reverence by example. I’ll share my Quaker faith with him. I’m sure he’ll participate in Quaker events, but consciously, selectively, guardedly (in the old Quaker sense).</p>
<p>If Friends believe they have a faith worth holdling, they should also believe they have a faith worth passing on. Do we?</p>
<h2>Related Reading</h2>
<ul>
<li>Beckey Phipps conducted a series of interviews that touched on many of these issues and published it in <em>FGConnections</em>. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20030907105123/http://fgcquaker.org/library/ministry/re-for-21st.html">FGC Religious Education: Lessons for the 21st Century</a> asks many of the right questions. My favorite line: “It is the most amazing thing, all the kids that I know that have gone into [Quaker] leadership programs–they’ve disappeared.”</li>
<li>I touch on these issues from the other side in <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2003/09/the_lost_quaker_generation/">The Lost Quaker Generation</a>, which is about the twenty- and thirty-something Friends that have drifted away</li>
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