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		<title>Michael Jay on Cost of Compromise</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lessons from 1842, when Indiana Friends were torn between antislavery and partisanship. I’m starting to wonder if it’s time to revisit that 19th century advice, and step back. I’ve seen too much of the corrupting influence of partisanship. I’ve seen too many arguments from people who know better about which people are not really people. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’m starting to wonder if it’s time to revisit that 19th century advice, and step back. I’ve seen too much of the corrupting influence of partisanship. I’ve seen too many arguments from people who know better about which people are not really people. I’ve too many friends who have become political arguments which do not respect their humanity.</p>
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		<title>Snipers shoot democracy yet again: the assasination of Benazir Bhutto</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The bullets and bombs have finally found their mark. It is no surprise to learn of yet another assasination attempt against Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto. Details are still sketchy and conflicting but the only thing we really need to know is that this attempt was successful and that Bhutto is dead less than two [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bullets and bombs have finally found their mark. It is no surprise to learn of yet another assasination attempt against Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto. Details are still sketchy and conflicting but the only thing we really need to know is that this attempt was successful and that Bhutto is dead less than two weeks before Parliamentary elections that might well have brought her into power for the third time.</p>
<p>Pakistan is a country who’s top government scientist exported atomic bomb-making across the world for decades. It still hosts Osama bin Laden. Afghanistan’s Taliban are still more-or-less headquartered in its Western provinces. The standoff with India has spawned war after war over the decade, now nuclear-enabled should either country get so emboldened. Billions of dollars of United States money has left Washington for Islamabad since 9/11 and a popular politician can’t even campaign there without deadly assassination attempts. Pakistan is one of the world’s hot spots, a nexus of terrorism, nuclear proliferation, religious extremism. It is a very sad day today indeed.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamabad" title="Islamabad"></a></p>
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		<title>Quaker Dharma: Let the Light Shine</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over a new-to-me blog called The Quaker Dharma there’s a post calling for us to The Let Our Light Shine Brightly. He makes some very good points like “It’s worth explaining what Quakerism is” and “true outreach is an act of spiritual hospitality.” He also tells a few stories. Here’s one about passionate younger religious [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over a new-to-me blog called <a href="http://theQuakerdharma.blogspot.com/">The Quaker Dharma</a> there’s a post calling for us to <a href="http://theQuakerdharma.blogspot.com/2005/02/let-our-light-shine-brightly.html">The Let Our Light Shine Brightly</a>. He makes some very good points like “It’s worth explaining what Quakerism is” and “true outreach is an act of spiritual hospitality.” He also tells a few stories. Here’s one about passionate younger religious he’s known:</p>
<blockquote><p>I came to Quakerism from Buddhist study. I also worked for an international Buddhist organization for two years. These are experiences for which I am deeply grateful. Teachings for which I am deeply grateful. I saw twenty something year olds who took Buddhist ordination vows and shaved their heads. This was deeply moving and was a joy to share their sense of union at having committed to a path. These kids were flying to India to take teachings. The commitment level was unbelievable. Some of them went on month long silent retreats. Quakerism, especially now, in these times could speak to many. Unfortunately we hide it and thousands and thousands of people in their twenties and thirties go without a spiritual home.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Tough Time to Love War(Making)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2003 05:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This just isn’t a good time to be George W. Bush. United Nations inspectors combing Iraq for weapons of mass destruction have come up empty handed. Saddam Hussein has allowing them relatively unfettered access but all they’ve uncovered is a few unused shells. Bush is nothing if not persistent when it comes to perceived world [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just isn’t a good time to be George W. Bush. United Nations inspectors combing Iraq for weapons of mass destruction have come up empty handed. Saddam Hussein has allowing them relatively unfettered access but all they’ve uncovered is a few unused shells.</p>
<p>Bush is nothing if not persistent when it comes to perceived world bad guys. Just yesterday he told an audience in St. Louis that Hussein is “a dangerous, dangerous man with dangerous, dangerous weapons.” Despite the repeated use dangerous, the rest of the world is unconvinced. German Chancellor Gerhard Schroder still talks about “peaceful solutions” and Germany and France is putting the brakes on war in the U.N. Security Council, waiting for evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to turn up.</p>
<p>It must frustrate our president to see that all these years of military sanctions against Iraq have been working. All the evidence uncovered by the U.N. inspectors prove that we can “win without war,” as one current slogan goes, and that we have in fact been winning. We’ve kept Saddam Hussein from rebuilding his military after the Gulf War. U.S. isolation of Iraq has been successful despite its numerous flaws. Saddam is not a threat.</p>
<p>Which brings us to real threats and to North Korea. President Bush and his team of war mongerers have been so busy looking at Iraq that they’ve given North Korea just sporadic attention. Recently-declassified reports show that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency has known much more about North Korea’s nuclear bomb making over the last dozen years than anyone’s been admitting.</p>
<p>The C.I.A. has known that North Korea and Pakistan have been trading nuclear secrets. Pakistan has been showing its ally of convenience how to build the centrifuges that process weapons-grade uranium. North Korea in return has provided the missile technology that gives Pakistan the nuclear reach to destroy arch-rival India. Now that we know President Bush knew all about this history of what we might call “dangerous, dangerous” technology trade, why did he cozy up to Pakistan following September 11th? He so wanted wars with Afghanistan and Iraq that he normalized relations with a country far more dangerous. If a Pakistani or North Korean nuclear weapon goes off in New York City it will kill a whole lot more people than Osama bin Laden’s four hijacked airplanes. What happened on September 11th was terrible but it’s nothing compared to what a enemy with resources could do.</p>
<p>There are real threats to world peace, far more “dangerous, dangerous” than Iraq. The United States needs to drop its president’s obsessions and look squarely at the world and who we’re allied with. And when we reset our policies we wqcan use Iraq as our model. For as the U.N. inspectors have proven, we can create peace through diplomacy and we can isolate troublemakers through smart sanctions.</p>
<p>What a tough lesson for U.S. leaders bent on war. </p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many of the this week’s critics of the Nonviolence Web are insisting that the U.S. needs to bomb Iraq in order to secure a future world of peace: “Are you an idiot? We needed to bomb them. Otherwise, many more INNOCENT will eventually die at the hands of Saddam Hussein. Sometimes force is necessary in [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the this week’s critics of the Nonviolence Web are insisting that the U.S. needs to bomb Iraq in order to secure a future world of peace: “Are you an idiot? We needed to bomb them. </p>
<p>Otherwise, many more INNOCENT will eventually die at the hands of Saddam Hussein. Sometimes force is necessary in order to prevent much greater violence later.”</p>
<p>This is the logic that has brought us to most violent century in human existence. War is always fought for peace. Acts of violence are always justified with the argument that they’re preventing acts of violence later. We kill for peace. And they kill for peace. And as the death count rises we build even bigger and smarter bombs. And they build even bigger and smarter bombs.</p>
<p>The million-dollar cruise missiles going into Iraq aren’t go to hurt Saddam Hussein. He’s safely ensconced in one of his presidential palaces watching CNN (meanwhile, President Clinton sits in the White House watching CNN as well). All the cruise missiles in the U.S. Navy won’t bring Hussein from power.</p>
<p>It is the people of Iraq who feel the sting of these bombings. Just as it is them who have born the brunt of eight years of brutal sanctions. It is the mothers who suffer as they watch their children die because even the most basic medical supplies are non-existent. It is the little ones themselves suffering as yet another wave of bombs come raining down on their world from that abstract entity called the “U.S.”</p>
<p>American policy is wrong precisely because we are at war not with Saddam Hussein, but with the people of Iraq-the citizens, the poor and meek, the downtrodden and hurting.</p>
<p>The nation of Iraq will always have the technical know-how to build weapons of mass destruction. Because the fact is that we live in a world where every industrialized nation with a couple of smart chemistry Ph.D.‘s can build these bombs. India and Pakistan just a few months ago set off nuclear weapons, we know Israel has a stockpile. We can’t just bomb every country with a weapon of mass destruction or with the capacity to produce such a weapon.</p>
<p>We need to build a world of real peace, of peace between nations built on the rule of law, yes, but also on reconciliation. We need foreign policy that recognizes that it is the rulers and the policies of other nations with which we disagree. That recognizes that it is wrong to ever condemn a whole people for the excesses of their leaders.</p>
<p>A number of U.S. peace groups have called for today to be a day of National Mourning and Protest. Let us gather to remember that we stand together in solidarity with those suffering in Iraq. Let us vigil quietly and then yell out loudly that war to end war is wrong.</p>
<p>End the Sanctions. Stop the Bombing. Declare peace with the Iraqi People.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For the last fifty years, America has swaggered around the globe like a parody of one of it’s Hollywood Westerns. Like John Wayne carrying his six-shooter down the Main Street of Dodge City, America has strutted around the world, taking nuclear weapons wherever it wanted it’s way, from the Gulf of Tonkin to the Gulf [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the last fifty years, America has swaggered around the globe like a parody of one of it’s Hollywood Westerns. Like John Wayne carrying his six-shooter down the Main Street of Dodge City, America has strutted around the world, taking nuclear weapons wherever it wanted it’s way, from the Gulf of Tonkin to the Gulf of Panama to the Gulf of Persia.</p>
<p>Well, the other cowboys in town have gotten the message. To be someone in the nuclear age means you need to carry your own six-shooter. In the last few weeks, India and Pakistan have officially joined the nuclear cowboys by setting off nuclear weapons. Dodge City’s just become a little tougher.</p>
<p>International outrage against India and Pakistan is a little strange. No one’s really doubted they had nuclear capacity. Like Israel, it’s long been known they have nuclear weapons. The difference between them and the more established nuclear powers is simply the logic that says it’s okay for some countries to have nuclear weapons but not others. Like all double-standards, it was just a matter of time till the this one fell to its own hypocrisy.</p>
<p>The debut of two new nuclear cowboys has brought into sharp relief the real work of our age: full nuclear disarmament. The real Dodge City, Kansas long ago outgrew it’s gunslingers. The only John Wayne’s who stomp down its Main Street these days do so for the tourist cameras. It’s a quiet Midwestern town full of shopping malls, drug stores, and fast food restaurants. There’s no need for tough sheriffs, showdowns, or six-shooters.</p>
<p>The Wild West is long gone, relegated to the movie screens and cutsey gift shops. It’s time to close the door on the nuclear age too. Time to pack in the six-shooters and learn to live together under international law. Lets leave nuclear brinksmanship to Hollywood screenwriters and let the real world live in peace.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is President Clinton talking about a reprise of&#160;the 1991 Persian Gulf War? We’re told it’s because U.N. inspectors believe that&#160;Iraq has hidden “weapons of mass destruction.” But&#160;of course so does the United States. And Britain,&#160;France, Russia, the Ukraine, China, India and&#160;Pakistan. Iraq doesn’t even hold a regional&#160;monopoly, as Israel certainly has atomic weapons&#160;atop U.S.-designed [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is President Clinton talking about a reprise of&nbsp;the 1991 Persian Gulf War?</p>
<p>We’re told it’s because U.N. inspectors believe that&nbsp;Iraq has hidden “weapons of mass destruction.” But&nbsp;of course so does the United States. And Britain,&nbsp;France, Russia, the Ukraine, China, India and&nbsp;Pakistan. Iraq doesn’t even hold a regional&nbsp;monopoly, as Israel certainly has atomic weapons&nbsp;atop U.S.-designed rockets aimed this very moment at&nbsp;Hussein’s Baghdad palaces.</p>
<p>Insanely-destructive weapons are a fact of life in&nbsp;the fin-de-Millennium. There’s already plenty of&nbsp;countries with atomic weapons and the missile&nbsp;systems to lob them into neighboring countries.&nbsp;Hussein probably doesn’t have them, and the weapons&nbsp;U.N. inspectors are worried about are chemical. This&nbsp;is the “poor man’s atomic bomb,” a way to play at&nbsp;the level of nuclear diplomacy without the expenses&nbsp;of a nuclear program.</p>
<p>Clinton seems oblivious to the irony of opposing&nbsp;Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction with our own. The&nbsp;aircraft carriers and battle fleets that have been&nbsp;sent into the Gulf in recent weeks are loaded with&nbsp;tactical nuclear missiles.</p>
<p>If the possession of weapons of mass destruction is&nbsp;wrong for Iraq, then it is wrong for everyone. It is&nbsp;time to abolish all weapons programs and to build&nbsp;real world peace along lines of cooperation.</p>
<p>He’s our Bully</p>
<p>Most Americans, on hearing a call to let Hussein be,&nbsp;will react with disbelief. Conditioned to think of&nbsp;him as our modern Hitler, anyone opposing a new Gulf&nbsp;War must be crazy, someone unfamiliar with the&nbsp;history of the appeasement of Hitler prior to World&nbsp;War II that allowed him to build his military to the&nbsp;frightening levels of 1939.</p>
<p>But Americans have alas not been told too much of&nbsp;more recent history. Saddam Hussein is our creation,&nbsp;he’s our bully. It started with Iran. Obsessed with&nbsp;global military control, the U.S. government started&nbsp;arming regional superpowers. We gave our chosen&nbsp;countries weapons and money to bully around their&nbsp;neighbors and we looked the other way at human&nbsp;rights abuses. We created and strengthened dictators&nbsp;around the world, including the Shah of Iran. A&nbsp;revolution finally threw him out of power and&nbsp;ushered in a government understandable hostile to&nbsp;the United States.</p>
<p>Rather than take this development to mean that the&nbsp;regional superpower concept was a bad idea, the U.S.&nbsp;just chose another regional superpower: Iraq. We&nbsp;looked the other way when the two got into a war,&nbsp;and started building up Iraq’s military arsenal,&nbsp;giving him the planes and military equipment we had&nbsp;given Iran. This was a bloody, crazy war, where huge&nbsp;casualties would be racked up only to move the front&nbsp;a few miles, an advance that would be nullified when&nbsp;the other army attacked with the same level of&nbsp;casualties. The United States supported that war.&nbsp;International human rights activists kept&nbsp;publicizing the abuses within Iraq, and denouncing&nbsp;him for use of chemical weapons. They got little&nbsp;media attention because it was not in U.S. political&nbsp;interests to fight Hussein.</p>
<p>Nothing’s really changed now except U.S. political&nbsp;interests. Hussein is still a tyrant. He’s still&nbsp;stockpiling chemical weapons. Why are U.S. political&nbsp;interests different now? Why does Bill Clinton want&nbsp;U.S. media attention focused on Iraq? Look no&nbsp;further than Big Bill’s zipper. Stop the next war&nbsp;before it starts. Abolish everyone’s weapons of mass&nbsp;destruction and let’s get a President who doesn’t&nbsp;need a war to clear his name.</p>
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