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		<title>Conflict in meeting and the role of heartbreak and testing</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago a newsletter brought written reports about the latest round of conflict at a local meeting that’s been fighting for the past 180 years or so. As my wife and I read through it we were a bit underwhelmed by the accounts of the newest conflict resolution attempts. The mediators seemed more [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">A few weeks ago a newsletter brought written reports about the latest round of conflict at a local meeting that’s been fighting for the past 180 years or so. As my wife and I read through it we were a bit underwhelmed by the accounts of the newest conflict resolution attempts. The mediators seemed more worried about alienating a few long-term disruptive characters than about preserving the spiritual vitality of the meeting. It’s a phenomena I’ve seen in a lot of Quaker meetings. </span></p>
<p>Call it the FDR Principle after Franklin D Roosevelt, who supposedly defended his support of one of Nicaragua’s most brutal dictators by saying “Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Even casual historians of Latin American history will know this only led to fifty years of wars with reverberations across the world with the Iran/Contra scandal. The FDR Principle didn’t make for good U.S. foreign policy and, if I may, I’d suggest it doesn’t make for good Quaker policy either. Any discussion board moderator or popular blogger knows that to keep an online discussion’s integrity you need to know when to cut a disruptive trouble-maker off–politely and succintly, but also firmly. If you don’t, the people there to actually discuss your issues–the people you want–will leave.<br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253"><br>
</span>I didn’t know how to talk about this until a post called <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/quakers/261141.html">Conflict in Meeting</a> came through Livejournal this past First Day. The poster, <span style="font-style: italic;">jandrewm</span>, wrote in part:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yet my recognition of all that doesn’t negate the painful feelings that arise when hostility enters the meeting room, when long-held grudges boil over and harsh words are spoken.&nbsp; After a few months of regular attendance at my meeting, I came close to abandoning this “experiment” with Quakerism because some Friends were so consistently rancorous, divisive, disruptive.&nbsp; I had to ask myself: “Do I need this negativity in my life right now?”</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">I commented about the need to take the testimonies seriously:<br>
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<blockquote><p><span id="ljcmt2207253">I’ve been in that situation. A lot of Friends aren’t very good at putting their foot down on flagrantly disruptive behavior. I wish I could buy the “it eventually sorts out” argument but it often doesn’t. I’ve seen meetings where all the sane people are driven out, leaving the disruptive folks and armchair therapists. It’s a symbiotic relationship, perhaps, but doesn’t make for a healthy spiritual community.</span><br>
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<span id="ljcmt2207253">The unpopular solution is for us to take our testimonies seriously. And I mean those more specific testimonies buried deep in copies in <span style="font-style: italic;">Faith &amp; Practice</span> that act as a kind of collective wisdom for Quaker community life. Testimonies against detraction and for rightly ordered decision making, etc. If someone’s actions tear apart the meeting they should be counseled; if they continue to disrupt then their decision-making input should be disregarded. This is the real effect of the old much-maligned Quaker process of disowning (which allowed continued attendance at worship and life in the community but stopped business participation). Limiting input like this makes sense to me.</span><br>
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<span id="ljcmt2207253">The trouble that if your meeting is in this kind of spiral there might not be much you can do by yourself. People take some sort of weird comfort in these predictable fights and if you start talking testimonies you might become very unpopular very quickly. Participating in the bickering isn’t helpful (of course) and just eats away your own self. Distancing yourself for a time might be helpful. Getting involved in other Quaker venues. It’s a shame. Monthly meeting is supposed to be the center of our Quaker spiritual life. But sometimes it can’t be. I try to draw lessons from these circumstances. I certainly understand the value and need for the Quaker testimonies better simply because I’ve seen the problems meetings face when they haven’t. But that doesn’t make it any easier for you.</span><br>
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<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">But all of this begs an awkward question: are we really building Christ’s kingdom by dropping out? It’s an age-old tension between purity and participation at all costs. Timothy asked a similar question of me in a comment to my last post. Before we answer, we should recognize that there are indeed many people who have “abandoned” their “Quaker experiment” because we’re not living up to our own ideals. </span></p>
<p>Maybe I’m more aware of this drop-out class than others. It sometimes seems like an email correspondence with the “Quaker Ranter” has become the last step on the way out the door. But I also get messages from seekers newly convinced of Quaker principles but unable to connect locally because of the divergent practices or juvenile behavior of their local Friends meeting or church. A typical email last week asked me why the plain Quakers weren’t evangelical and why evangelical Quakers weren’t conservative and asked “Is there a place in the quakers for a Plain Dressing, Bible Thumping,&nbsp;Gospel Preaching, Evangelical, Conservative, Spirit Led, Charismatic&nbsp;family?” (<span style="font-style: italic;">Anyone want to suggest their local meeting?</span>)</p>
<p>We should be more worried about the people of integrity we’re losing than about the grumpy trouble-makers embedded in some of our meetings. If someone is consistently disruptive, is clearly breaking specific Quaker testimonies we’ve lumped under community and intergrity, and stubbornly immune to any council then read them out of business meeting. If the people you <span style="font-style: italic;">want</span> in your meeting are leaving because of the people you <span style="font-style: italic;">really don’t want</span>, then it’s time to do something. Our Quaker toolbox provides us tool for that action–ways to define, name and address the issues. Our tradition gives us access to hundreds of years of experience, both mistakes and successes, and can be a more useful guide than contemporary pop psychology or plain old head-burying.</p>
<p>Not all meetings have these problems. But enough do that we’re losing people. And the dynamics get more acute when there’s a visionary project on the table and/or someone younger is at the center of them. While our meetings sort out their issues, the internet is providing one type of support lifeline.</p>
<p>Blogger <span style="font-style: italic;">jandrewm</span> was able to seek advice and consolation on Livejournal. Some of the folks I spoke about in the 2003 “<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">Lost Quaker Generation</a>” series of posts are now lurking away on my Facebook friends list.<span id="ljcmt2207253"> Maybe we can stop the full departure of some of these Friends. They can drop back but still be involved, still engaging their local meeting. They can be reading and discussing testimonies (“<a href="http://www.tractassociation.org/Detraction.html">detraction</a>” is a wonderful place to start) so they can spot and explain behavior. We can use the web to coordinate workshops, online discussions, local meet-ups, new workship groups, etc., but even email from a Friend thousands of miles away can help give us clarity and strength.</span></p>
<p>I think (I hope) we’re helping to forge a group of Friends with a clear understanding of the work to be done and the techniques of Quaker discernment. It’s no wonder that Quaker bodies sometimes fail to live up to their ideals: the journals of&nbsp; olde tyme Quaker ministers are full of disappointing stories and Christian tradition is rich with tales of the roadblocks the Tempter puts up in our path. How can we learn to&nbsp; center in the Lord when our meetings become too political or disfunctional<span id="ljcmt2207253"> (I think I should start looking harder at Anabaptist non-resistance theory)</span><span id="ljcmt2207253">. This is the work, Friends, and it’s always been the work. Through whatever comes we need to trust that any testing and heartbreak has a purpose, that the Lord is using us through all, and that any suffering will be productive to His purpose if we can keep low and listening for follow-up instructions.<br>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Idiot who came up with the “Terror Psychic Network” is leaving the Pentagon over the flap. What’s even more striking is his identity: it’s John Poindexter, one of the people at the heart of the Iran-Contra scandal that rocked the Reagan Administration. For those too young to remember, in the Iran-Contra affair Reagan’s kookiest [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a title="Reuters | Latest Financial News / Full News Coverage" href="http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&amp;storyID=3198102">Idiot who came up with the “Terror Psychic Network” is leaving the Pentagon</a> over the flap. What’s even more striking is his identity: it’s John Poindexter, one of the people at the heart of the Iran-Contra scandal that rocked the Reagan Administration.</p>
<p>For those too young to remember, in the Iran-Contra affair Reagan’s kookiest spooks secretly sold arms to U.S. archenemy number 1 (Iran) in order to circumvent Congressional demands that they not fund an opposition army against U.S. archenemy number 2 (Nicaragua), with the money being funneled through the country that then and now still inexplicably isn’t public enemy number 3 (Saudi Arabia). It was the circuitousness of it all more than anything that kept Reagan out of jail for all of this.</p>
<p>Why Poindexter was ever allowed back anywhere near Washington, much less the Pentagon, is a mystery. Here are some articles on <a href="http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/Iran_Contra_Rehab.html">Poindexter’s return to Washington</a> and <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/news/warwatch/2002/50/we_205_02.html">return of the Iran-Contra crew to the (Bush II) White House</a>. Here’s another article on the resignation of the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/31/politics/31CND-POIN.html?hp">Reagan crook turned Bush-II fool</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday North Korea claimed that it has processed enough plutonium to make six nuclear weapons. I’ve often argued that wars don’t begin when the shooting actually begins, that we need to look at the militaristic decisions made years before to see how they planted the seeds for war. After the First World War, the victorious [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday North Korea claimed that it has processed enough plutonium to make six nuclear weapons. I’ve often argued that wars don’t begin when the shooting actually begins, that we need to look at the militaristic decisions made years before to see how they planted the seeds for war. After the First World War, the victorious allies constructed a peace treaty designed to humiliate Germany and keep its economy stagnant. With the onslaught of the Great Depression, the country was ripe for a mad demagogue like Hitler to take over with talk of a Greater Germany.<br>
In his January 2002 State of the Union address, President Bush’s team added North Korea to the “axis of evil” that needed to be challenged. By all accounts it was a last minute addition. The speechwriting team never bothered to consult with the State Department’s east Asia experts. In all likelihood North Korea was added so that the evil three countries wouldn’t all be Muslim (the other two were Iraq and Iran) and the “War on Terror” wouldn’t be seen as a war against Islam.<br>
North Korea saw a bulldog president in the White House and judged that its best chance to stay safe was to make a U.S. attack too dangerous to contemplate. It’s a sound strategy, really only a variation on the Cold War’s “Mutually Assured Destruction” doctrine. When faced with a hostile and militaristically-strong country that wants to overthrow your government, you make yourself too dangerous to take on. Let’s call it the Rattlesnake Defense.<br>
Militarism reinforces itself when countries beef up their militaries to stave off the militaries of other countries. With North Korea going nuclear, pressure will now build on South Korea, China and Japan to defend themselves against possible threat. We might be in for a new east Asian arms race, perhaps an east Asian Cold War. Being a pacifist means stopping not only the current war but the next one and the one after that. In the 1980s activists were speaking out against the brutal regime of Saddam Hussein, an American friend who was gassing his own people. Now we need to speak out against the cowboy politics that is feeding instability on the Korean Peninsula, to prevent the horror and mass death that a Second Korean War would unleash.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is President Clinton talking about a reprise of&#160;the 1991 Persian Gulf War? We’re told it’s because U.N. inspectors believe that&#160;Iraq has hidden “weapons of mass destruction.” But&#160;of course so does the United States. And Britain,&#160;France, Russia, the Ukraine, China, India and&#160;Pakistan. Iraq doesn’t even hold a regional&#160;monopoly, as Israel certainly has atomic weapons&#160;atop U.S.-designed [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is President Clinton talking about a reprise of&nbsp;the 1991 Persian Gulf War?</p>
<p>We’re told it’s because U.N. inspectors believe that&nbsp;Iraq has hidden “weapons of mass destruction.” But&nbsp;of course so does the United States. And Britain,&nbsp;France, Russia, the Ukraine, China, India and&nbsp;Pakistan. Iraq doesn’t even hold a regional&nbsp;monopoly, as Israel certainly has atomic weapons&nbsp;atop U.S.-designed rockets aimed this very moment at&nbsp;Hussein’s Baghdad palaces.</p>
<p>Insanely-destructive weapons are a fact of life in&nbsp;the fin-de-Millennium. There’s already plenty of&nbsp;countries with atomic weapons and the missile&nbsp;systems to lob them into neighboring countries.&nbsp;Hussein probably doesn’t have them, and the weapons&nbsp;U.N. inspectors are worried about are chemical. This&nbsp;is the “poor man’s atomic bomb,” a way to play at&nbsp;the level of nuclear diplomacy without the expenses&nbsp;of a nuclear program.</p>
<p>Clinton seems oblivious to the irony of opposing&nbsp;Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction with our own. The&nbsp;aircraft carriers and battle fleets that have been&nbsp;sent into the Gulf in recent weeks are loaded with&nbsp;tactical nuclear missiles.</p>
<p>If the possession of weapons of mass destruction is&nbsp;wrong for Iraq, then it is wrong for everyone. It is&nbsp;time to abolish all weapons programs and to build&nbsp;real world peace along lines of cooperation.</p>
<p>He’s our Bully</p>
<p>Most Americans, on hearing a call to let Hussein be,&nbsp;will react with disbelief. Conditioned to think of&nbsp;him as our modern Hitler, anyone opposing a new Gulf&nbsp;War must be crazy, someone unfamiliar with the&nbsp;history of the appeasement of Hitler prior to World&nbsp;War II that allowed him to build his military to the&nbsp;frightening levels of 1939.</p>
<p>But Americans have alas not been told too much of&nbsp;more recent history. Saddam Hussein is our creation,&nbsp;he’s our bully. It started with Iran. Obsessed with&nbsp;global military control, the U.S. government started&nbsp;arming regional superpowers. We gave our chosen&nbsp;countries weapons and money to bully around their&nbsp;neighbors and we looked the other way at human&nbsp;rights abuses. We created and strengthened dictators&nbsp;around the world, including the Shah of Iran. A&nbsp;revolution finally threw him out of power and&nbsp;ushered in a government understandable hostile to&nbsp;the United States.</p>
<p>Rather than take this development to mean that the&nbsp;regional superpower concept was a bad idea, the U.S.&nbsp;just chose another regional superpower: Iraq. We&nbsp;looked the other way when the two got into a war,&nbsp;and started building up Iraq’s military arsenal,&nbsp;giving him the planes and military equipment we had&nbsp;given Iran. This was a bloody, crazy war, where huge&nbsp;casualties would be racked up only to move the front&nbsp;a few miles, an advance that would be nullified when&nbsp;the other army attacked with the same level of&nbsp;casualties. The United States supported that war.&nbsp;International human rights activists kept&nbsp;publicizing the abuses within Iraq, and denouncing&nbsp;him for use of chemical weapons. They got little&nbsp;media attention because it was not in U.S. political&nbsp;interests to fight Hussein.</p>
<p>Nothing’s really changed now except U.S. political&nbsp;interests. Hussein is still a tyrant. He’s still&nbsp;stockpiling chemical weapons. Why are U.S. political&nbsp;interests different now? Why does Bill Clinton want&nbsp;U.S. media attention focused on Iraq? Look no&nbsp;further than Big Bill’s zipper. Stop the next war&nbsp;before it starts. Abolish everyone’s weapons of mass&nbsp;destruction and let’s get a President who doesn’t&nbsp;need a war to clear his name.</p>
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