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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Features on Friends Journal this week, Jeff Rasley’s article on “stealth worshipers” and religious doubt in the professional clergy: Because I went to seminary, I came to know quite a few Christian ministers. As an attorney, I represented several churches and Christian ministers in legal matters. Several ministers of Protestant denominations and two Catholic priests [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Features on <em>Friends Journal</em> this week, Jeff Rasley’s article on “stealth worshipers” and religious doubt in the professional clergy:</p>
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  Because I went to seminary, I came to know quite a few Christian ministers. As an attorney, I represented several churches and Christian ministers in legal matters. Several ministers of Protestant denominations and two Catholic priests came clean with me about their personal beliefs. I discovered that when they were not “on,” many pastors would admit to the same doubts about the dogmas and superstitions of their churches as I had about mine.
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<p>December’s issue is on Christianity and there are opinions on various sides of the issue but Rasley’s piece gets right to a core strength of Liberal Quakerism: its ability to so easily invite and engage with those unsure of their beliefs. Because of family, I get to a lot of non-Quaker services a lot and wonder how many of the people around me aren’t following their church’s teachings on various issues. One way of ordering Christian denominations is to see if they prefer a tidy and pure but small congregation or a messy big tent come-as-you-are congregation.</p>
<p>It seems like Quakers are taking something of a different path: come but follow your own integrity and engage in the way that honors whatever level of truth has been given you. It’s a pretty powerful stance, though of course it gives us our own special set of headaches when it comes time to speaking in a collective voice.</p>
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		<title>Peterson Toscano is a reluctant minister</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2018 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This week’s featured article over at Friends Journal is Peterson Toscano’s “A Reluctant Minister.” Satire and irony, especially when it is subtle, done in character, or relies on tone can be misunderstood when taken literally. Friends can get so caught up in the words that we miss the point. It is never fun explaining a [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week’s featured article over at <em>Friends Journal</em> is Peterson Toscano’s “<a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/reluctant-minister/">A Reluctant Minister</a>.”</p>
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Satire and irony, especially when it is subtle, done in character, or relies on tone can be misunderstood when taken literally. Friends can get so caught up in the words that we miss the point. It is never fun explaining a joke to a Friend, but even that interaction is part of the work of presenting performance art for Quakers. We are committed to fairness and love. Comedy can be used to hurt others or to make light of serious issues. Unpacking a joke can lead to rich discussion. I seek to use comedy to shed light on important issues. Still, some Friends prefer the straightforward message over the comic performance.
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<p>I really appreciate the care and honesty that Peterson has put into defining his work. It would be so easy for him to label his performance art as ministry and wear it as a cloak of respectability. Much of his work does indeed act as ministry and he uses a clearness committee as a Quaker discernment tool. But he wants to keep a space open for what you might call artistic confusion and so describes himself as a “theatrical performance activist.”</p>
<p>When the pendulum began trend toward re-embracing the ideas of ministry within Liberal Quakerism some years back, many forms of public work started being labeled ministry. It might be a sign of the incompleteness of our follow-through that few of the people coming forward with ministries felt comfortable calling themselves <em>ministers</em>. I like the idea of keeping middle-ground spaces that we don’t try to artificially kludge into classic Quaker models. </p>
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		<title>Who tells our story</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kathleen Wooten asks Who tells our story Who tells our story in this time?&#160; In today’s world of immediate news, and social media, and everyone having a twitter account and an opinion – there’s a lot of misinformation out there.&#160; Some of it might be damaging and outright manipulative.&#160; Some of it might just be [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen Wooten asks <a href="http://quakerkathleen.org/2018/05/26/britain-yearly-meetings-faith-and-practice-the-spread-of-social-media-and-telling-the-story-to-others-part-two/">Who tells our story</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Who tells our story in this time?&nbsp; In today’s world of immediate news, and social media, and everyone having a twitter account and an opinion – there’s a lot of misinformation out there.&nbsp; Some of it might be damaging and outright manipulative.&nbsp; Some of it might just be misinformed people, who are confusing Quakers (for example) with Amish folks, or Shakers.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the reasons I’ve been so involved in Quaker media is my longtime concern that we’re in increasing danger of being defined by outsiders. A mainstream site with a page on Quakers can easily show up higher in search results than pages we create. &nbsp;For a long time back in the day, an entry on Quakers written by <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/history1.htm">some Unitarians</a> on <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/quaker.htm">Religioustolerance.com</a> was a top hit. Google and Facebook have long had more say in defining Quaker beliefs than any of our national organizations. Even when real-life Quakers are involved— in Facebook groups, Wikipedia editing, blogging, and the original Quaker.org—there was none of the kind of formal Quaker process (for better and worse) that historically characterized Quaker publishing.</p>
<p>One happy irony is that Kathleen herself came in through a channel with no Quaker involvement. She writes: ” I had never heard of Quakers until I took an internet quiz in my mid- thirties.” This is almost certainly the “Belief-o-Matic” Beliefnet quiz (confirmed in comments). The site was founded as a venture-capital-fueled &nbsp;attempt to win the advertising religion market in the heady years of what we retrospectively call the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble">dot-com bubble</a>. The original quiz dates further back to a still-going site called <a href="http://selectsmart.com">SelectSmart</a>, which hosts dozens of quizzes (“Which Bond Villain Are You?,” “What Pizza Topping Are You?,” “Pink Floyd Album Selector”), one of the most popular of which is “<a href="http://selectsmart.com/religion/">Belief System Selector</a>.” The site is Curt and Lori Anderson, a husband-and-wife team; he was the techie who programmed the quizzes; she hunted for content. She used online sources and her local library to coming up with questions for him to plug in for the belief quiz (<a href="http://acfnewsource.org.s60463.gridserver.com/religion/belief_o_matic.html">read some of the story here</a>&nbsp;and also <a href="https://www.deseretnews.com/article/828777/Click-to-find-a-religion-that-suits-you.html">here</a>). Beliefnet started hosting it independently, giving it a UI refresh and renaming it&nbsp;<a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/entertainment/quizzes/beliefomatic.aspx">Belief-o-Matic</a>. For whatever reasons of wonky algorithms huge percentages of people who took the test came out as “Liberal Quaker” or “Orthodox Quaker.” No Friends were involved in the quiz, hence the archaic names (few Friends have identified as Orthodox for generations).</p>
<p>In the 2000s, this quiz was inadvertently far more successful in outreach than any program conceived by Friends (sorry PYM/FGC/Pendle Hill donors). I think we’ve all become better at media and telling our own story but Kathleen’s question—who tells our story in this time?—is still a key one. After all,&nbsp;Lori Anderson’s checklist of beliefs (on <a href="http://selectsmart.com/religion/desc2.html#LQ">SelectSmart</a> and <a href="http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2001/06/what-liberal-quakers-believe.aspx">Beliefnet</a>) are probably one of the most-read definitions of Liberal Quakerism.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was five years ago this week that I sat down and wrote about a cool new movement I had been reading about. It would have been Jordan Cooper’s blog that turned me onto Robert E Webber’s The Younger Evangelicals, a look at generational shifts among American Evangelicals. I found it simultaneously disorienting and shocking [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was five years ago this week that I sat down and wrote about a cool new movement I had been reading about. It would have been <a href="http://www.jordoncooper.com/">Jordan Cooper</a>’s blog that turned me onto <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/aprilweb-only/118-12.0.html">Robert E Webber</a>’s <a style="font-style: italic;" href="http://www.amazon.com/Younger-Evangelicals-Facing-Challenges-World/dp/0801091527">The Younger Evangelicals</a>, a look at generational shifts among American Evangelicals. I found it simultaneously disorienting and shocking that I actually identified with most of the trends Webber outlined. Here I was, still a young’ish Friend attending one of the most liberal Friends meetings in the country (Central Philadelphia) and working for the very organization whose initials (FGC) are international shorthand for hippy-dippy liberal Quakerism, yet I was nodding my head and laughing out loud at just about everything Webber said. Although he most likely never walked into a meetinghouse, he clearly explained the generational dynamics running through Quaker culture and I finished the book with a better understanding of why so much of our youth organizing and outreach was floundering on issues of tokenism and feel-good-ism.</p>
<p>My post, originally titled&nbsp; “<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/emergent_church_movement_the_younger_evangelicals_and_quaker_renewal.php">The Younger Evangelicals and the Younger Quakers</a>,”&nbsp; (here it is in its <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040214080939/www.nonviolence.org/quaker/emerging_church.php">original context</a>) started off as a book review but quickly became a Quaker vision manifesto. The section heads alone ticked off the work to be done:</p>
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<li>A re-examination of our roots, as Christians and as Friends</li>
<li>A desire to grow</li>
<li>A more personally-involved, time-consuming commitment</li>
<li>A renewal of discipline and oversight</li>
<li>A confrontation of our ethnic and cultural bigotries</li>
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<p>When I wrote this, there wasn’t much you could call Quaker blogging (<a href="http://notfrisco2.com/leones/">Lynn Gazis-Sachs</a> was an exception), and when I googled variations on “quakers” and “emerging church” nothing much came up. It’s not surprising that there wasn’t much of an initial response.</p>
<p>It took about two years for the post to find its audience and responses started coming from both liberal and evangelical Quaker circles. In retrospect, it’s fair to say that the <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/">QuakerQuaker community</a> gathered around this essay (here’s <a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-quaker-blogosphere-changed-my-life.html">Robin M’s account of first reading it</a>) and it’s follow-up <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/were_all_ranters_now_on_liberal_friends_and_becoming_a_society_of_finders.php">We’re All Ranters Now</a> (<a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/04/20/quaker-ranter-martin-kelley-puts-a-new-face-on-an-old-tradition/">Wess talking about it</a>). Five years after I postd it, we have a cadre of bloggers and readers who regularly gather around the QuakerQuaker water cooler to talk about Quaker vision. We’re getting pieces published in all the major Quaker publications, we’re asked to lead worships and we’ve got a catchy name in “<a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2006/01/robinopedia-convergent-friends.html">Convergent Friends</a>.”</p>
<p><big>And yet?</big></p>
<p>All of this is still a small demographic scattered all around. If I wanted to have a good two-hour caffeine-fueled bull session about the future of Friends at some local coffeeshop this afternoon, I can’t think of anyone even vaguely local who I could call up. A few years ago I started commuting pretty regularly to a meeting that did a good job at the Christian/Friends-awareness/roots stuff but not the discipline/oversight or desire-to-grow end of things. I’ve drifted away the last few months because I realized I didn’t have any personal friends there and it was mostly an hour-drive, hour-worship, hour-drive back home kind of experience.</p>
<p>My main cadre five years ago were fellow staffers at FGC. A few years ago FGC commissioned surveys indicated that potential donors would respond favorably to talk about youth, outreach and race stereotyping and even though these were some of the concerns I had been awkwardly raising for years, it was very clear I wasn’t welcome in quickly-changing staff structure and I found myself out of a job. The most exciting outreach programs I had worked on was a database that would collect the names and addresses of isolated Friends, but <a href="http://www.quakerfinder.org/QF/QFclosed.php">It was quietly dropped</a> a few months after I left. The new muchly-hyped $100,000 program for outreach has <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/quakerquest/seekers">this for its seekers page</a> and follows the typical FGC pattern, which is to sprinkle a few rotating tokens in with a retreat center full of potential donors to talk about Important Topics. (For those who care, I would have continued building the isolated Friends database, mapped it for hot spots and&nbsp;coordinated with the youth ministry committee&nbsp;to send teams for extended stays to help plant worship groups. How cool would that be? <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/passing_the_faith_planet_of_the_quakers_style.php">Another opportunity lost</a>.)<br>
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So where do we go?<br>
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I’m really sad to say we’re still largely on our own. According to actuarial tables, I’ve recently crossed my life’s halfway point and here I am still referencing generational change.</p>
<p>How I wish I could honestly say that I could get involved with any committee in my yearly meeting and get to work on the issues raised in “Younger Evangelicals and Younger Quakers.” Someone recently sent me an email thread between members of an outreach committee for another large East Coast yearly meeting and they were debating whether the internet was an appropriate place to do outreach work–in 2008?!? Britain Yearly Meeting has a beautifully produced <a href="http://quakerweek.org.uk/">new outreach website</a> but I don’t see one convinced young Friend profiled and it’s post-faith emphasis is downright depressing (an involved youngish American Friend looked at it and reminded me that despite occasional attention, smart young seekers serious about Quakerism aren’t anyone’s target audience, here in the US or apparently in Britain).</p>
<p>A number of interesting “Covergent” minded Friends have an insider/outsider relationship with institutional Quakerism. Independent worship groups popping up and more are being talked about (I won’t blow your cover guys!). I’ve seen Friends try to be more officially involved and it’s not always good: a bunch of younger Quaker bloggers have disappeared after getting named onto Important Committees, their online presence reduced to inside jokes on Facebook with their other newly-insider pals.</p>
<p><big>What do we need to do:</big></p>
<ul>
<li>We need to be public figures;</li>
<li>We need to reach real people and connect ourselves;</li>
<li>We need to stress the whole package: Quaker roots, outreach, personal involvement and not let ourselves get too distracted by hyped projects that only promise one piece of the puzzle.</li>
</ul>
<p><big>Here’s my to-do list:</big></p>
<ul>
<li>CONVERGENT OCTOBER: Wess Daniels has talked about everyone doing some outreach and networking around the “convergent” theme next month. I’ll try to arrange some Philly area meet-up and talk about some practical organizing issues on my blog.</li>
<li>LOCAL MEETUPS: I still think that FGC’s isolated Friends registry was one of its better ideas. Screw them, we’ll start one ourselves. I commit to making one. Email me if you’re interested;</li>
<li>LOCAL FRIENDS: I commit to finding half a dozen serious Quaker buddies in the drivable area to ground myself enough to be able to tip my toe back into the institutional miasma when led (thanks to <a href="http://valiantforthetruth.blogspot.com/">Micah B</a> who stressed some of this in a recent visit).</li>
<li>PUBLIC FIGURES: I’ve let my blog deteriorate into too much of a “life stream,” all the pictures and twitter messages all clogging up the more Quaker material. You’ll notice it’s been redesigned. The right bar has the “life stream” stuff, which can be bettered viewed and commented on on my Tumbler page, <a href="http://martinjkelley.tumblr.com/">Tumbld Rants</a>. I’ll try to keep the main blog (and its RSS feed) more seriously minded.</li>
</ul>
<p>I want to stress that I don’t want anyone to quit their meeting or anything. I’m just finding myself that I need a lot more than business-as-usual. I need people I can call lower-case friends, I need personal accountability, I need people willing to really look at what we need to do to be responsive to God’s call. Some day maybe there will be an established local meeting somewhere where I can find all of that. Until then we need to build up our networks.</p>
<p>Like a lot of my big idea vision essays, I see this one doesn’t talk much about God. Let me stress that coming under His direction is what this is all about. Meetings don’t exist for us. They faciliate our work in becoming a people of God. Most of the inward-focused work that make up most of Quaker work is self-defeating. Jesus didn’t do much work in the temple and didn’t spend much time at the rabbi conventions. He was out on the street, hanging out with the “bad” elements, sharing the good news one person at a time. We have to find ways to support one another in a new wave of grounded evangelism. Let’s see where we can all get in the next five years!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels posts about Quaker theology on his blog. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering talk about FGC Quakerism. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet: “[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels posts about <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/06/03/an-apologetic-for-a-quaker-theology-do-we-need-it-or-want-it">Quaker theology on his blog</a>. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000817022309/http://www.fgcquaker.org/library/history/frost1.html">talk about FGC Quakerism</a>. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet:</p>
<blockquote><p>“[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like Jones and Cadbury were all birthright and they wrote books as well as pamphlets. Before unification, PYM Orthodox and the other Orthodox meetings produced philosophers, theologians, and Bible scholars, but now the combined yearly meetings in FGC produce weighty Friends, social activists, and earnest seekers.”<br>
…<br>
“The liberals who created the FGC had a thirst for knowledge, for linking the best in religion with the best in science, for drawing upon both to make ethical judgments. Today by becoming anti-intellectual in religion when we are well-educated we have jettisoned the impulse that created FGC, reunited yearly meetings, redefined our role in wider society, and created the modern peace testimony. The kinds of energy we now devote to meditation techniques and inner spirituality needs to be spent on philosophy, science, and Christian religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This talk was hugely influential to my wife Julie and myself. We had just met two days before and while I had developed an instant crush, Frost’s talk was the first time we sat next to one another. I realized that this might become something serious when we both laughed out loud at Jerry’s wry asides and theology jokes. We ended up walking around the campus late into the early hours talking talking talking.</p>
<p>But the talk wasn’t just the religion geek equivalent of a pick-up bar. We both responded to Frost’s call for a new generation of serious Quaker thinkers. Julie enrolled in a Religion PhD program, studying Quaker theology under Frost himself for a semester. I dove into historians like Thomas Hamm and modern thinkers like Lloyd Lee Wilson as a way to understand and articulate the implicit theology of “FGC Friends” and took independent initiatives to fill the gaps in FGC services, taking leadership in young adult program and co-leading workshops and interest groups.</p>
<p>Things didn’t turn out as we expected. I hesitate speaking for Julie but I think it’s fair enough to say that she came to the conclusion that Friends ideals and practices were unbridgable and she left Friends. I’ve documented my own setbacks and right now I’m pretty detached from formal Quaker bodies.</p>
<p>Maybe enough time hasn’t gone by yet. I’ve heard that the person sitting on Julie’s other side for that talk is now studying theology up in New England; another Friend who I suspect was nearby just started at Earlham School of Religion. I’ve called this <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">the Lost Quaker Generation</a> but at least some of its members have just been lying low. It’s hard to know whether any of these historically-informed Friends will ever help shape FGC popular culture in the way that Quaker academia influenced liberal Friends did before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Rereading Frost’s speech this afternoon it’s clear to see it as an important inspiration for <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a>. Parts of it act well as a good liberal Quaker vision for what the blogosphere has since taken to calling convergent Friends. I hope more people will stumble on Frost’s speech and be inspired, though I hope they will be careful not to tie this vision too closely with any existing institution and to remember the true source of that <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&amp;chapter=6&amp;verse=11&amp;version=kjv#11">daily bread</a>. Here’s a few more inspirational lines from Jerry:</p>
<blockquote><p>We should remember that theology can provide a foundation for unity. We ought to be smart enough to realize that any formulation of what we believe or linking faith to modern thought is a secondary activity; to paraphrase Robert Barclay, words are description of the fountain and not the stream of living water. Those who created the FGC and reunited meetings knew the possibilities and dangers of theology, but they had a confidence that truth increased possibilities.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at ten years of FGC Gathering workshops on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns. It’s kind of interesting [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Nontheist Friends website, there’s an article looking back at <a href="http://www.nontheistfriends.org/article/reflections-on-a-decade-of-nontheism-workshops/">ten years of FGC Gathering workshops</a> on their concern. There was also a post somewhere on the blogosphere (sorry I don’t remember where) by a Pagan Friend excited that this year’s Gathering would have a workshop focused on their concerns.</p>
<p>It’s kind of interesting to look at the process by which new theologies are being added into Liberal Quakerism at an ever-increasing rate.</p>
<ul>
<li>Membership of individuals in meetings. There are hundreds of meetings in liberal Quakerism that range all over the theological map. Add to that the widespread agreement that theological unity with the meeting is not required and just about anyone believing anything could be admitted somewhere (or “grandfathered in” as a birthright member).</li>
<li>A workshop at the <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/gathering">Friends General Conference Gathering</a> and especially a regular workshop at successive Gatherings. Yet as the very informed comments on a post a few years ago showed, <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2005/03/fgc_gathering_program_is_up_wh/">theology is not something the planning workshop committee is allowed to look&nbsp;at</a> and at least one proponent of a new theology has gotten themselves on the deciding committee. The Gathering is essentially built on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chautauqua">nondenominational Chautaqua model</a> and FGC is perfectly happy to sponsor workshops that are in apparent conflict with its own mission statement.</li>
<li>An article published in <a href="www.friendsjournal.org"><em>Friends Journal</em></a>. When the the Quaker Sweat Lodge was struggling to claim legitimacy it all but changed its name to the “Quaker Sweat Lodge as featured in the February 2002 Friends Journal.” It’s a good magazine’s job to publish articles that make people think and a smart magazine will know that articles that provoke a little controversy is good for circulation. I very much doubt the editorial team at the Journal considers its agreement to publish to be an inoculation against critique.</li>
<li>A website and listserv. Fifteen dollars at <a href="www.godaddy.com">GoDaddy.com</a> and you’ve got the web address of your dreams. <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com">Yahoo Group</a> is free.</li>
</ul>
<p>There are probably other mechanisms of legitimacy. My point is not to give comprehensive guidelines to would-be campaigners. I simply want to note that none of the actors in these decisions is consciously thinking “hey, I think I’ll expand the definition of liberal Quaker theology today.” In fact I expect they’re mostly passing the buck, thinking “hey, who am I to decide anything like that.”</p>
<p>None of these decision-making processes are meant to serve as tools to dismiss opposition. The organizations involved are not handing out <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprimatur">Imprimaturs</a> and would be quite horrified if they realized their agreements were being seen that way. Amy Clark, a commenter on my last post, on <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/events/2007-yfna/">this summer’s reunion and camp</a> for the once-young members of Young Friends North America, had a very interesting comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree that YFNA has become FGC: those previously involved in YFNA have taken leadership with FGC … with both positive and negative results. Well … now we have a chance to look at the legacy we are creating: do we like it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I have the feeling that the current generation of liberal Quaker leadership doesn’t quite believe it’s leading liberal Quakerism. By “leadership” I don’t mean the small skim of the professional Quaker bureaucracy (whose members can get _too_ self-inflated on the leadership issue) but the committees, clerks and volunteers that get most of the work done from the local to national levels. We are the inheritors of a proud and sometimes foolish tradition and our actions are shaping its future but I don’t think we really know that. I have no clever solution to the issues I’ve outlined here but I think becoming conscious that we’re creating our own legacy is an important first step.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2006 09:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on Beppeblog, “Liberal Quakerism is no longer Quakerism”, the first of a multi-post series. In part one, Beppe looks at our difficulty articulating a collective voice that might proclaim “Truth.” Individualism has really taken a hit on Quakers, that’s for sure. In this day and age, how can a group set itself apart as [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Beppeblog, “Liberal Quakerism is no longer Quakerism”, the first of a multi-post series. In part one, Beppe looks at our difficulty articulating a collective voice that might proclaim “Truth.” Individualism has really taken a hit on Quakers, that’s for sure. In this day and age, how can a group set itself apart as a “religious society”–a coherent community of believers? I don’t find fulfillment in my own self and I’m an awfully slow learner when I try to figure out things myself. I need other’s wisdom but books and blogs only take me so far.</p>
<p>As Dave Carl reminds us in the comments, the inward Christ is available to all, everywhere. But just because you can have a visitation while standing in the supermarket checkout line doesn’t make the supermarket a religious society or the cashier a minister. Many of our meetings are good for the casual seeker who wants a stress-free meditation center. The RSOF seems to serve many seekers as an in-between point: a place of entry back into the Christian tradition (for those who have been alienated by false prophets) but not a final destination in itself. If you want to get serious you often have to leave. That’s a shame, not only for the lost seeker, but for our own religious society which sees a constant “brain drain” leaking-out of gifted ministers.</p>
<p>I turn on the TV and radio and hear all sorts of perversions of the gospel being spouted out (yesterday’s Memorial Day pap was particularly annoying–hasn’t any of these Christians read the Sermon on the Mount?!?). The world still needs the kind of radical, back-to-the-roots Christianity that Quakers have long held up as an alternative. But how can we unite to speak with that prophetic voice if we have no collective voice.</p>
<p>I’m not as pessimistic as all this sounds. I think most Friends want something more. We’re constantly lifing up the example of dead Friends with prophetic voices and there’s a strong pride in our history of social justice. Our modern culture of individuality blinds us to how these voices got nutured and how those old-timey Friends were able to come together to speak out these truths. But Friends have often been lured away from our calling and every age has had faithful Friends who have been willing to hit their heads against the brick walls of frustration time and time again in order to remind us of who we are. The back-and-forth of reaching out into the world and pulling back into our tradition is actually itself part of our tradition and Quaker bodies have often seen healthiest when we’ve been able to hold both together.</p>
<p>PS: Check here for Beppe’s second post, which argues that “Liberal Quakerism continues to be Quakerism.”</p>
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