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		<title>Friends and theology and geek pick-up hotspots</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels posts about Quaker theology on his blog. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering talk about FGC Quakerism. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet: “[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels posts about <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/06/03/an-apologetic-for-a-quaker-theology-do-we-need-it-or-want-it">Quaker theology on his blog</a>. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000817022309/http://www.fgcquaker.org/library/history/frost1.html">talk about FGC Quakerism</a>. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet:</p>
<blockquote><p>“[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like Jones and Cadbury were all birthright and they wrote books as well as pamphlets. Before unification, PYM Orthodox and the other Orthodox meetings produced philosophers, theologians, and Bible scholars, but now the combined yearly meetings in FGC produce weighty Friends, social activists, and earnest seekers.”<br>
…<br>
“The liberals who created the FGC had a thirst for knowledge, for linking the best in religion with the best in science, for drawing upon both to make ethical judgments. Today by becoming anti-intellectual in religion when we are well-educated we have jettisoned the impulse that created FGC, reunited yearly meetings, redefined our role in wider society, and created the modern peace testimony. The kinds of energy we now devote to meditation techniques and inner spirituality needs to be spent on philosophy, science, and Christian religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This talk was hugely influential to my wife Julie and myself. We had just met two days before and while I had developed an instant crush, Frost’s talk was the first time we sat next to one another. I realized that this might become something serious when we both laughed out loud at Jerry’s wry asides and theology jokes. We ended up walking around the campus late into the early hours talking talking talking.</p>
<p>But the talk wasn’t just the religion geek equivalent of a pick-up bar. We both responded to Frost’s call for a new generation of serious Quaker thinkers. Julie enrolled in a Religion PhD program, studying Quaker theology under Frost himself for a semester. I dove into historians like Thomas Hamm and modern thinkers like Lloyd Lee Wilson as a way to understand and articulate the implicit theology of “FGC Friends” and took independent initiatives to fill the gaps in FGC services, taking leadership in young adult program and co-leading workshops and interest groups.</p>
<p>Things didn’t turn out as we expected. I hesitate speaking for Julie but I think it’s fair enough to say that she came to the conclusion that Friends ideals and practices were unbridgable and she left Friends. I’ve documented my own setbacks and right now I’m pretty detached from formal Quaker bodies.</p>
<p>Maybe enough time hasn’t gone by yet. I’ve heard that the person sitting on Julie’s other side for that talk is now studying theology up in New England; another Friend who I suspect was nearby just started at Earlham School of Religion. I’ve called this <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">the Lost Quaker Generation</a> but at least some of its members have just been lying low. It’s hard to know whether any of these historically-informed Friends will ever help shape FGC popular culture in the way that Quaker academia influenced liberal Friends did before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Rereading Frost’s speech this afternoon it’s clear to see it as an important inspiration for <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a>. Parts of it act well as a good liberal Quaker vision for what the blogosphere has since taken to calling convergent Friends. I hope more people will stumble on Frost’s speech and be inspired, though I hope they will be careful not to tie this vision too closely with any existing institution and to remember the true source of that <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&amp;chapter=6&amp;verse=11&amp;version=kjv#11">daily bread</a>. Here’s a few more inspirational lines from Jerry:</p>
<blockquote><p>We should remember that theology can provide a foundation for unity. We ought to be smart enough to realize that any formulation of what we believe or linking faith to modern thought is a secondary activity; to paraphrase Robert Barclay, words are description of the fountain and not the stream of living water. Those who created the FGC and reunited meetings knew the possibilities and dangers of theology, but they had a confidence that truth increased possibilities.</p></blockquote>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reading John Woolman Series: 1: The Public Life of a Private Man 2: The Last Safe Quaker 3: The Isolated Saint It’s said that John Woolman re-wrote his Journal three times in an effort to excise it of as many “I” references as possible. As David Sox writes in Johh Woolman Quintessential Quaker, “only on [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Reading John Woolman Series:<br>
1: <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/reading-woolman-1-public-life-private-man/">The Public Life of a Private Man</a><br>
2: <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/reading-john-woolman-2-last-safe-quaker/">The Last Safe Quaker</a><br>
3: <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/reading_woolman_part_three_the/">The Isolated Saint</a></strong></p>
<p>It’s said that John Woolman re-wrote his <em>Journal</em> three times in an effort to excise it of as many “I” references as possible. As David Sox writes in <em>Johh Woolman Quintessential Quaker</em>, “only on limited occasion do we glimpse Woolman as a son, a father and a husband.” Woolman wouldn’t have been a very good blogger. Quoting myself from my introduction to Quaker blogs:</p>
<blockquote><p>blogs give us a unique way of sharing our lives—how our Quakerism intersects with the day-to-day decisions that make up faithful living. Quaker blogs give us a chance to get to know like-minded Friends that are separated by geography or artificial theological boundaries and they give us a way of talking to and with the institutions that make up our faith community.</p></blockquote>
<p>I’ve read many great Woolman stories over the years and as I read the Journal I eagerly anticipated reading the original account. It’s that same excitement I get when walking the streets of an iconic landscape for the first time: walking through London, say, knowing that Big Ben is right around the next corner. But Woolman kept letting me down.</p>
<p>One of the AWOL stories is his arrival in London. The <em>Journal’s</em> account:</p>
<blockquote><p>On the 8th of Sixth Month, 1772, we landed at London, and I went straightway to the Yearly Meeting of ministers and elders, which had been gathered, I suppose, about half an hour. In this meeting my mind was humbly contrite.</p></blockquote>
<p>But set the scene. He had just spent five weeks crossing the Atlantic in steerage among the pigs (he doesn’t actually specify his non-human bunkmates). He famously went out of his way to wear clothes that show dirt <em>because they show dirt</em>. He went straightaway: no record of a bath or change of clothes. Stories abound about his reception, and while are some of dubious origin, there are first hand accounts of his being shunned by the British ministers and elders. The best and most dubious story is the theme of another post.</p>
<p>I trust that Woolman was honestly aiming for meekness when he omitted the most interesting stories of his life. But without the context of a lived life he becomes an ahistorical figure, an icon of goodness divorced from the minutiae of the daily grind. Two hundred and thirty years of Quaker hagiography and latter-day appeals to Woolman’s authority have turned the tailor of Mount Holly into the otherworldly Quaker saint but the process started at John’s hands himself.</p>
<p>Were his struggles merely interior? When I look to my own ministry, I find the call to discernment to be the clearest part of the work. I need to work to be ever more receptive to even the most unexpected prompting from the Inward Christ and I need to constantly practice humility, love and forgiveness. But the practical limitations are harder. For years respectibility was an issue; relative poverty continues to be one. It is asking a lot of my wife to leave responsibility for our two small boys for even a long weekend.</p>
<p>How did Woolman balance family life and ministry? What did wife Sarah think? And just what was his role in the sea-change that was the the “Reformation of American Quakerism” (to use Jack Marietta’s phrase) that forever altered American Friends’ relationship with the world and set the stage for the schisms of the next century.</p>
<p>We also lose the context of Woolman’s compatriots. Some are named as traveling companions but the colorful characters go unmentioned. What did he think of the street-theater antics of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Lay">Benjamin Lay</a>, the Abbie Hoffman of Philadelphia Quakers. The most widely-told tale is of Lay walking into Philadelphia Yearly Meeting sessions, opening up a cloak to reveal military uniform underneath, and declaring that slave-made products were products of war, plunged a sword into a hollowed-out Bible full of pig’s blood, splattering Friends sitting nearby.</p>
<p>What role did Woolman play in the larger anti-slavery awakening happening at the time? It’s hard to tell just reading his <em>Journal</em>. How can we find ways to replicate his kind of faithfulness and witness today? Again, his <em>Journal</em> doesn’t give much clue.</p>
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<p>Picked up today in the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting Library:</p>
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<li><em>The Reformation of American Quakerism</em>, by Jack Marietta</li>
<li><em>John Woolman Quintessential Quaker</em>, by David Sox</li>
<li><i style="color: #000000;"><a href="http://www.quakerbooks.org/get/0-87574-940-2">The Tendering Presence: Essays on John Woolman</a></i>, edited by Mike Heller</li>
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<p>PYM Librarian Rita Varley reminded me today they mail books anywhere in the US for a modest fee and a $50/year subscription. It’s a great deal and a great service, especially for isolated Friends. The PYM catalog is online too!</p>
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