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					<description><![CDATA[I’m always happy when Johan Maurer wades into an online discussion, as he can often gives a steadying long-term view of panics. He’s jumped in with perspective on the viral article of the week, Don McCormick’s Can Quakerism Survive? from the February Friends Journal. Johan reminds us that alarms about the future of Quakerism has [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m always happy when Johan Maurer wades into an online discussion, as he can often gives a steadying long-term view of panics. He’s jumped in with perspective on the viral article of the week, <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/can-quakerism-survive/">Don McCormick’s Can Quakerism Survive?</a> from the February <em>Friends Journal</em>.</p>
<p>Johan reminds us that alarms about the future of Quakerism has long been ringing and draws on&nbsp;<a href="https://arewefriends.wordpress.com">Joshua Brown’s</a> warnings about New York Yearly Meeting from 30 years ago! Lest we chalk all this up an incessant alarmism, Johan gives some stats about that yearly meeting. Uh-oh:</p>
<p>7,070 (in 1955)<br>
5,124 (in 1985)<br>
3,241 (in 2015)</p>
<p>But Johan goes beyond that to ask some questions that we really need to sit with. For example, he asks:</p>
<p>Given that we are a microscopic percentage of the world Christian movement, do we have an inflated sense of our own importance? Or, to put it more positively, could we rest contented that our influence on Christian discipleship will last beyond our institutional survival?</p>
<p>This is a must-read blog for anyone anywhere on the Quaker spectrum</p>
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		<title>Conflict in meeting and the role of heartbreak and testing</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few weeks ago a newsletter brought written reports about the latest round of conflict at a local meeting that’s been fighting for the past 180 years or so. As my wife and I read through it we were a bit underwhelmed by the accounts of the newest conflict resolution attempts. The mediators seemed more [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">A few weeks ago a newsletter brought written reports about the latest round of conflict at a local meeting that’s been fighting for the past 180 years or so. As my wife and I read through it we were a bit underwhelmed by the accounts of the newest conflict resolution attempts. The mediators seemed more worried about alienating a few long-term disruptive characters than about preserving the spiritual vitality of the meeting. It’s a phenomena I’ve seen in a lot of Quaker meetings. </span></p>
<p>Call it the FDR Principle after Franklin D Roosevelt, who supposedly defended his support of one of Nicaragua’s most brutal dictators by saying “Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” Even casual historians of Latin American history will know this only led to fifty years of wars with reverberations across the world with the Iran/Contra scandal. The FDR Principle didn’t make for good U.S. foreign policy and, if I may, I’d suggest it doesn’t make for good Quaker policy either. Any discussion board moderator or popular blogger knows that to keep an online discussion’s integrity you need to know when to cut a disruptive trouble-maker off–politely and succintly, but also firmly. If you don’t, the people there to actually discuss your issues–the people you want–will leave.<br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253"><br>
</span>I didn’t know how to talk about this until a post called <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/quakers/261141.html">Conflict in Meeting</a> came through Livejournal this past First Day. The poster, <span style="font-style: italic;">jandrewm</span>, wrote in part:</p>
<blockquote><p>Yet my recognition of all that doesn’t negate the painful feelings that arise when hostility enters the meeting room, when long-held grudges boil over and harsh words are spoken.&nbsp; After a few months of regular attendance at my meeting, I came close to abandoning this “experiment” with Quakerism because some Friends were so consistently rancorous, divisive, disruptive.&nbsp; I had to ask myself: “Do I need this negativity in my life right now?”</p></blockquote>
<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">I commented about the need to take the testimonies seriously:<br>
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<blockquote><p><span id="ljcmt2207253">I’ve been in that situation. A lot of Friends aren’t very good at putting their foot down on flagrantly disruptive behavior. I wish I could buy the “it eventually sorts out” argument but it often doesn’t. I’ve seen meetings where all the sane people are driven out, leaving the disruptive folks and armchair therapists. It’s a symbiotic relationship, perhaps, but doesn’t make for a healthy spiritual community.</span><br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253"></span><br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253">The unpopular solution is for us to take our testimonies seriously. And I mean those more specific testimonies buried deep in copies in <span style="font-style: italic;">Faith &amp; Practice</span> that act as a kind of collective wisdom for Quaker community life. Testimonies against detraction and for rightly ordered decision making, etc. If someone’s actions tear apart the meeting they should be counseled; if they continue to disrupt then their decision-making input should be disregarded. This is the real effect of the old much-maligned Quaker process of disowning (which allowed continued attendance at worship and life in the community but stopped business participation). Limiting input like this makes sense to me.</span><br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253"></span><br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253">The trouble that if your meeting is in this kind of spiral there might not be much you can do by yourself. People take some sort of weird comfort in these predictable fights and if you start talking testimonies you might become very unpopular very quickly. Participating in the bickering isn’t helpful (of course) and just eats away your own self. Distancing yourself for a time might be helpful. Getting involved in other Quaker venues. It’s a shame. Monthly meeting is supposed to be the center of our Quaker spiritual life. But sometimes it can’t be. I try to draw lessons from these circumstances. I certainly understand the value and need for the Quaker testimonies better simply because I’ve seen the problems meetings face when they haven’t. But that doesn’t make it any easier for you.</span><br>
<span id="ljcmt2207253"></span></p></blockquote>
<p><span id="ljcmt2207253">But all of this begs an awkward question: are we really building Christ’s kingdom by dropping out? It’s an age-old tension between purity and participation at all costs. Timothy asked a similar question of me in a comment to my last post. Before we answer, we should recognize that there are indeed many people who have “abandoned” their “Quaker experiment” because we’re not living up to our own ideals. </span></p>
<p>Maybe I’m more aware of this drop-out class than others. It sometimes seems like an email correspondence with the “Quaker Ranter” has become the last step on the way out the door. But I also get messages from seekers newly convinced of Quaker principles but unable to connect locally because of the divergent practices or juvenile behavior of their local Friends meeting or church. A typical email last week asked me why the plain Quakers weren’t evangelical and why evangelical Quakers weren’t conservative and asked “Is there a place in the quakers for a Plain Dressing, Bible Thumping,&nbsp;Gospel Preaching, Evangelical, Conservative, Spirit Led, Charismatic&nbsp;family?” (<span style="font-style: italic;">Anyone want to suggest their local meeting?</span>)</p>
<p>We should be more worried about the people of integrity we’re losing than about the grumpy trouble-makers embedded in some of our meetings. If someone is consistently disruptive, is clearly breaking specific Quaker testimonies we’ve lumped under community and intergrity, and stubbornly immune to any council then read them out of business meeting. If the people you <span style="font-style: italic;">want</span> in your meeting are leaving because of the people you <span style="font-style: italic;">really don’t want</span>, then it’s time to do something. Our Quaker toolbox provides us tool for that action–ways to define, name and address the issues. Our tradition gives us access to hundreds of years of experience, both mistakes and successes, and can be a more useful guide than contemporary pop psychology or plain old head-burying.</p>
<p>Not all meetings have these problems. But enough do that we’re losing people. And the dynamics get more acute when there’s a visionary project on the table and/or someone younger is at the center of them. While our meetings sort out their issues, the internet is providing one type of support lifeline.</p>
<p>Blogger <span style="font-style: italic;">jandrewm</span> was able to seek advice and consolation on Livejournal. Some of the folks I spoke about in the 2003 “<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">Lost Quaker Generation</a>” series of posts are now lurking away on my Facebook friends list.<span id="ljcmt2207253"> Maybe we can stop the full departure of some of these Friends. They can drop back but still be involved, still engaging their local meeting. They can be reading and discussing testimonies (“<a href="http://www.tractassociation.org/Detraction.html">detraction</a>” is a wonderful place to start) so they can spot and explain behavior. We can use the web to coordinate workshops, online discussions, local meet-ups, new workship groups, etc., but even email from a Friend thousands of miles away can help give us clarity and strength.</span></p>
<p>I think (I hope) we’re helping to forge a group of Friends with a clear understanding of the work to be done and the techniques of Quaker discernment. It’s no wonder that Quaker bodies sometimes fail to live up to their ideals: the journals of&nbsp; olde tyme Quaker ministers are full of disappointing stories and Christian tradition is rich with tales of the roadblocks the Tempter puts up in our path. How can we learn to&nbsp; center in the Lord when our meetings become too political or disfunctional<span id="ljcmt2207253"> (I think I should start looking harder at Anabaptist non-resistance theory)</span><span id="ljcmt2207253">. This is the work, Friends, and it’s always been the work. Through whatever comes we need to trust that any testing and heartbreak has a purpose, that the Lord is using us through all, and that any suffering will be productive to His purpose if we can keep low and listening for follow-up instructions.<br>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over on my design blog I’ve just posted an article, Banking on reputations, which looks at how the websites for high-profile cultural institutions are often built without regard to natural web publicity–there’s no focus on net culture or search engine visibility. The sites do get visited, but only because of the reputation of the institution [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on my <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/blog/">design blog</a> I’ve just posted an article, <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/blog/2007/09/banking_on_reputations.php">Banking on reputations</a>, which looks at how the websites for high-profile cultural institutions are often built without regard to natural web publicity–there’s no focus on net culture or search engine visibility. The sites do get visited, but only because of the reputation of the institution itself. My guess is that people go to them for very specific functions (looking up a phone number, ordering tickets, etc.). I finish by asking the question, “Are the audiences of high brow institutions so full of hip young audiences that they can steer clear of web-centric marketing?”</p>
<p>I won’t belabor the point, but I wonder if something similar is happening within Friends. It’s kind of weird that only two people have commented on Johan Maurer’s <a href="http://johanpdx.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-is-really-wrong-with-fum-part-two.html">blog post about Baltimore Yearly Meeting’s report</a> on Friends United Meeting. Johan’s post may well be the only place where online discussion about this particular report is available. I gave a <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/baltimore_and_fum_from_sessions_to_the_static_web_to_interactive_discussion.php">plug for it</a> and it was the most popular link from <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/">QuakerQuaker</a>, so I know people are seeing it. The larger issue is dealt with elsewhere (Bill Samuel has a particularly <a href="http://www.quakerinfo.com/fum.shtml">useful resource page</a>) but Johan’s piece seems to be getting a big yawn.</p>
<p>It’s been superseded as the most popular QuakerQuaker link by a lighthearted call for an <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/quakers/237429.html">International Talk Like a Quaker Day</a> put up by a Livejournal blogger. It’s fun but it’s about as serious as you might expect. It’s getting picked up on a number of blogs, has more links than Johan’s piece and at current count has thirteen commenters. I think it’s a great way to poke a little fun of ourselves and think about outreach and I’m happy to link to it but I have to think there’s a lesson in its popularity vis-a-vis Johan’s post.</p>
<p>Here’s the inevitable question: do most Quakers just not care about Friends United Meeting or Baltimore Yearly Meeting, about a modern day culture clash that is but a few degrees from boiling over into full-scale institutional schism? For all my bravado I’m as much an institutional Quaker as anyone else. I care about our denominational politics but do others, and do they really?</p>
<p>Yearly meeting sessions and more entertainment-focused Quaker gatherings are lucky if they get three to five percent attendance. The governing body of my yearly meeting is made up of about one percent of its membership; add a percent or two or three and you have how many people actually pay any kind of attention to it or to yearly meeting politics. A few years ago a Quaker publisher commissioned a prominent Friend to write an update to liberal Friends’ most widely read introductory book and she mangled the whole thing (down to a totally made-up acronym for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_World_Committee_for_Consultation">FWCC</a>) and no one noticed till after publication–even insiders don’t care about most of this!</p>
<p>Are the bulk of most contemporary Friends post-institutional? The percentage of Friends involved in the work of our religious bodies has perhaps always been small, but the divide seems more striking now that the internet is providing competition. The big Quaker institutions skate on being recognized as official bodies but if their participation rate is low, their recognition factor small, and their ability to influence the Quaker culture therefore minimal, then are they really so important? After six years of marriage I can hear my wife’s question as a Quaker-turned-Catholic: where does the religious authority of these bodies come from? As someone who sees the world through a sociological/historical perspective, my question is complementary but somewhat different: if so few people care, then is there authority? The only time I see Friends close to tears over any of this is when<br>
a schism might mean the loss of control over a beloved school or campground–factor out<br>
the sentimental factor and what’s left?</p>
<p>I don’t think a diminishing influence is a positive trend, but it won’t go away if we bury our heads in the sand (or in committees). How are today’s generation of Friends going to deal with changing cultural forces that are threatening to undermine our current practices? And how might we use the new opportunities to advance the Quaker message and Christ’s agenda?</p>
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