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		<title>Finding the Sweet Harmony in Friends Worship</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2026 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I interview John Helding on the Quaker Talk podcast about "worship fluid" Quakerism.]]></description>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading">I interview John Helding on the Quaker Talk podcast about “worship fluid” Quakerism.</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The new issue of <em>Friends Journal </em><a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/issue-category/2026/august-2026/">is up</a>. I wrote the <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/the-noises-of-our-silences/">Among Friends intro</a> this month, waxing lyrically on the “sonic landscape” of my meeting in August:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The sounds of our August silence are far from pure. Although the calls of red-shouldered hawks can be a bit harsh, hearing them reminds me that a family shares the trees of our burial ground. The crunch of the gravel in the driveway reassures me that one of our perpetual late-comers is about to join our fellowship. Not all the sounds are natural, of course. Once or twice in the hour someone will redline a motorcycle on the street outside, the whiny revs and gear changes drifting over to bounce inside our worship space. I usually try to tune out this sound, but sometimes I smile instead, knowing that someone is having fun on a hot summer day. I say a little prayer for their safety and wish them well.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’ve also recorded a new episode of my author video podcast with John Helding, who wrote <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/how-can-i-keep-from-singing/">How Can I Keep from Singing? The Marvelous Mystery of Worship-Fluid Meetings</a>. He tells a great story of going from a very died-in-the wool unprogrammed meeting to Lopez Island Worship Group (now full Quaker meeting) that scheduled monthly singing worship and worship sharing. I think I’m always going to prefer the model of sitting down quietly and waiting for the Holy Spirit but I do appreciate that it’s hard to build up a meeting culture that invites ministry. I’m happy that the worship sharing at Lopez Island helped uncork nascent ministry in the standard, open worship. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I wrote a few years ago, I think ministry <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/an-expected-miracle/">should be an expected miracle</a> and not have quite so high a bar that people are intimidated from speaking. It takes practice to know when ministry is Spirit-led and maybe part of that practice is not always getting it right. I know some meetings face the opposite problem: ministry that is perhaps too frequent and too headstrong and inappropriate. But a Friends Meeting is a bit like a choir in that it is always needing creative renegotiation to find the sweet harmony. We are a chosen family that just shows up every week, with people experienced and new working and learning how to hold the body together.</p>



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		<title>Becky Jones: Connecting Spirit to Spirit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2025 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I talked today with December Friends Journal author Becky Jones. Her article “The Intimacy of Prayer” appears in the current issue. I really appreciated talking about how we hold people in love, in the light, in prayer. One of my own methods is just to keep a prayer list on my phone but in prepping [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I talked today with December <em>Friends Journal </em>author Becky Jones. Her article “<a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/the-intimacy-of-prayer/">The Intimacy of Prayer</a>” appears in the current issue. I really appreciated talking about how we hold people in love, in the light, in prayer. One of my own methods is just to keep a prayer list on my phone but in prepping this interview I realized I hadn’t contributed to it in a year. Wow! If for nothing else, I’m grateful to be reminded that I should use that list more, as it keeps me more mindful of loved ones and acquaintances in my life.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/becky-jones/">Full show notes for my interview can be found here</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2019 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Johan Maurer: What choices do we have? The most obvious and most glib answer is: leave! Escape! In fact, after prayer and consultation and weighing options, that may end up being the best answer. This seems like a very grounded look at some of the oft-recurrent dysfunctions in churches. Check out the list of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Johan Maurer:</p>
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  What choices do we have? The most obvious and most glib answer is: leave! Escape! In fact, after prayer and consultation and weighing options, that may end up being the best answer.
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<p>This seems like a very grounded look at some of the oft-recurrent dysfunctions in churches. Check out the list of problems. I suspect thet most seekers have run into at least a fee of these in congregations.</p>
<p>https://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2019/03/trustworthy-part-three-choices.html</p>
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		<title>None of us is a volunteer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2018 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sam Barnett-Cormack is a prolific non-theist British Friend. His latest post,&#160;Doing It Ourselves, has some thoughts on community discernment that I find interesting. Quakerism “done right” is not “do it yourself” in either sense… No task is done by one person alone; it is always the work and responsibility of the community, though we might [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Barnett-Cormack is a prolific non-theist British Friend. His latest post,&nbsp;<a href="https://quakeropenings.blogspot.com/2018/04/doing-it-ourselves.html">Doing It Ourselves</a>, has some thoughts on community discernment that I find interesting.</p>
<blockquote><p>Quakerism “done right” is not “do it yourself” in either sense… No task is done by one person alone; it is always the work and responsibility of the community, though we might not always clearly see the support and assistance we are given. Some would say that we are “upheld in prayer,” a term that does not speak to my experience, but we are certainly upheld by the love and nurture of our community – unless our community is failing.</p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When we say we are holding someone in the Light, it is wise to remember that holding is an action verb. Sometimes I confuse intercession prayer with placing a short order to a Spirit I treat as a personal complaint department. “You didn’t get my order right, God…she’s even sicker than before!” I love the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When we say we are holding someone in the Light, it is wise to remember that holding is an action verb. Sometimes I confuse intercession prayer with placing a short order to a Spirit I treat as a personal complaint department. “You didn’t get my order right, God…she’s even sicker than before!” I love the way Quaker teachings humble me and help me work with love while waiting expectantly for God’s will to be done.</p>
<p>— Bonnie S.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/60412-2/"> in a recent comment</a></p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whenever we intercede in prayer we must be prepared for answer which places a practical obligation upon us. — GREEN]]></description>
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<p>Whenever we intercede in prayer we must be prepared for answer which places a practical obligation upon us.<br>
— GREEN</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornerstone is a relatively new church plant in Smithville, Atlantic County, New Jersey. They’re site is a simple design built in Movable Type using off-the-shelf templates to keep the budget down. The most exciting part of the site is the podcast sermons and the ability to ask Bible questions and make prayer requests from the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinkelley-com/3816583206/" title="Cornerstone Fellowship by martinkelleydesign, on Flickr"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/farm3.static.flickr.com/2446/3816583206_085ace2674_m.jpg?resize=240%2C180" alt="Cornerstone Fellowship" class="screenshot" height="180" width="240"></a>Cornerstone is a relatively new <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/church+plant">church plant</a> in <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/smithville">Smithville</a>, <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/atlantic-county">Atlantic County</a>, <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/new+jersey">New Jersey</a>. They’re site is a simple <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/design">design</a> built in <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/movable+type">Movable Type</a> using off-the-shelf templates to keep the budget down. The most exciting part of the site is the <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/podcast">podcast</a> <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/sermons">sermons</a> and the ability to ask Bible questions and make <a href="http://www.martinkelley.com/tag/prayer+requests">prayer requests</a> from the homepage. I’m most happy to see the church using the site and updating it regularly!</p>
<p>Pastor Fred Schwenger also has a new local connection: he and a partner have just opened Superior Automotive here in Hammonton at 880 S White Horse Pike!&nbsp; </p>
<p><b>Visit: <a href="http://www.cornerstonefellowshiponline.com/">CornerstoneFellowshipOnline.com</a> <br></b></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The retreat at the Carmelite Monastery was nice. Here’s some pictures, the first of those “long-remembered”:/if_i_dont_make_it_back.php tall stone walls and the rest of the beautiful chapel: It was a silent retreat–for us at least. There were three talks about “Teresa of Avila”:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Avila given by Father Tim Byerley, who also works with the “Collegium Center”:http://www.collegiumcenter.org/about.php, a [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The retreat at the Carmelite Monastery was nice. Here’s some pictures, the first of those “long-remembered”:/if_i_dont_make_it_back.php tall stone walls and the rest of the beautiful chapel:<br>
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It was a silent retreat–for us at least. There were three talks about “Teresa of Avila”:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_of_Avila given by Father Tim Byerley, who also works with the “Collegium Center”:http://www.collegiumcenter.org/about.php, a kind of religious education outreach project for young adult Catholics in South Jersey (I mentioned it “a few months ago”:https://www.quakerranter.org/teaching_quakerism_again.php as a model of young adult youth outreach that Friends might want to consider). Much of what Teresa has to say about prayer is universal and very applicable to Friends, though I have to admit I started spacing out by around the fourth mansion of the “Interior Castle”:http://www.ccel.org/ccel/teresa/castle2.toc.html (I’ve never been good with numbered religious steps!).<br>
I’m in no danger of following my wife Julie’s journey from Friends to Catholicism, though as always I very much enjoyed being in the midst of a gathered group committed to a spirituality. The idea of religious life as self-abnegation is an important one for all Christians in an age where “me-ism”:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScWdek6_Ids&amp;eurl has become the “secular state religion”:http://www.walmart.com/ and I hope to return to it in the near future.</p>
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