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		<title>Max Carter talk on introducing the Bible to younger Friends</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Max Carter gave a talk for the Bible Association of Friends this past weekend at Moorestown (N.J.) Friends Meeting. Max is a long-time educator and currently heads the Quaker Leadership Scholars Program at Guilford College, a program that has produced a number of active twenty-something Friends in recent years. The Bible Association is one of [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Carter gave a talk for the Bible Association of Friends this past weekend at Moorestown (N.J.) Friends Meeting. Max is a long-time educator and currently heads the <a href="http://www.guilford.edu/about_guilford/services_and_administration/qlsp/">Quaker Leadership Scholars Program</a> at Guilford College, a program that has produced a number of active twenty-something Friends in recent years. The Bible Association is one of those great Philadelphia relics that somehow survived a couple of centuries of upheavals and still plugs along with a mission more-or-less crafted at its founding in the early 1800s: it distributes free Bibles to Friends, Friends schools, and any First-day School class that might answer their inquiries.</p>
<p>Max’s program at Guilford is one of the recipients of the Bible Association’s efforts and he began by joking that his sole qualification for speaking at their annual meeting was that he was one of their more active customers.</p>
<p>Many of the students going through Max’s program grew up in the bigger East Coast yearly meetings. In these settings, being an involved Quaker teen means regularly going to camps like Catoctin and Onas, doing the FGC Gathering every year, and having a parent on an important yearly meeting committee. “Quaker” is a specific group of friends and a set of guidelines about how to live in this subculture. Knowing the rules to Wink and being able to craft a suggestive question for Great Wind Blows is more important than even rudimentary Bible literacy, let alone Barclay’s Catechism. The knowledge of George Fox rarely extends much past the song (“with his shaggy shaggy locks”). So there’s a real culture shock when they show up in Max’s class and he hands them a Bible. “I’ve never touched one of these before” and “Why do we have to use this?” are non-uncommon responses.</p>
<p>None of this surprised me, of course. I’ve led high school workshops at Gathering and for yearly meeting teens. Great kids, all of them, but most of them have been really shortchanged in the context of their faith. The Guilford program is a good introduction (“we graduate more Quakers than we bring in” was how Max put it) but do we really want them to wait so long? And to have so relatively few get this chance. Where’s the balance between letting them choose for themselves and giving them the information on which to make a choice?</p>
<p>There was a sort of built-in irony to the scene. Most of the thirty-five or so attendees at the Moorestown talk were half-a-century older than the students Max was profiling. It’s pretty safe to say I was the youngest person there. It doesn’t seem healthy to have such separated worlds.</p>
<p><b>Convergent Friends</b></p>
<p>Max did talk for a few minutes about <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/group/convergent">Convergent Friends</a>. I think we’ve shaken hands a few times but he didn’t recognize me so it was a rare fly-on-wall opportunity to see firsthand how we’re described. It was positive (we “bear watching!”) but there were a few minor mis-perceptions. The most worrisome is that we’re a group of young adult Friends. At 42, I’ve graduated from even the most expansive definition of YAF and so have many of the other Convergent Friends (on a Facebook thread <a href="http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com/">LizOpp</a> made the mistake of listing all of the older Convergent Friends and touched off a little mock outrage–I’m going to steer clear of that mistake!). After the talk one attendee (a <a href="http://www.nffellowship.org/">New Foundation Fellowship</a> regular) came up and said that she had been thinking of going to the “<a href="http://www.pendlehill.org/workshops/spring-2010/228-new-monastics-and-convergent-friends">New Monastics and Convergent Friends</a>” workshop <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/">C Wess Daniels</a> and I are co-leading next May but had second-thoughts hearing that CF’s were young adults. “That’s the first I’ve heard that” she said; “me too!” I replied and encouraged her to come. We definitely need to continue to talk about how C.F. represents an attitude and includes many who were doing the work long before <a href="http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/">Robin Mohr</a>’s October 2006 <a href="http://www.friendsjournal.org/">Friends Journal</a> article brought it to wider attention.</p>
<p><b>Techniques for Teaching the Bible and Quakerism</b></p>
<p>The most useful part of Max’s talk was the end, where he shared what he thought were lessons of the Quaker Leadership Scholars Program. He</p>
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<li><b>Demystify the Bible:</b> a great percentage of incoming students to the QLSP had never touched it so it seemed foreign;</li>
<li><b>Make it fun</b>: he has a newsletter column called “Concordance Capers” that digs into the derivation of pop culture references of Biblical phrases; he often shows Monty Python’s “The Life of Brian” at the end of the class.</li>
<li><b>Make it relevant</b>: Give interested students the tools and guidance to start reading it.</li>
<li><b>Show the genealogy</b>: Start with the parts that are most obviously Quaker: John and the inner Light, the Sermon on the Mount, etc.</li>
<li><b>Contemporary examples: </b>Link to contemporary groups that are living a radical Christian witness today. This past semester they talked about the New Monastic movement, for example and they’ve profiled the Simple Way and Atlanta’s Open Door.</li>
<li><b>The Bible as human condition</b>: how is the Bible a story that we can be a part of, an inspiration rather than a literalist authority.</li>
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<p><b>Random Thoughts:</b></p>
<p>A couple of thoughts have been churning through my head since the talk: one is how to scale this up. How could we have more of this kind of work happening at the local yearly meeting level and start with younger Friends: middle school or high schoolers? And what about bringing convinced Friends on board? Most QLSP students are born Quaker and come from prominent-enough families to get meeting letters of recommendation to enter the program. Graduates of the QLSP are funneled into various Quaker positions these days, leaving out convinced Friends (like me and like most of the central Convergent Friends figures). I talked about this divide a lot back in the 1990s when I was trying to pull together the mostly-convinced Central Philadelphia Meeting young adult community with the mostly-birthright official yearly meeting YAF group. I was convinced then and am even more convinced now that no renewal will happen unless we can get these complementary perspectives and energies working together.</p>
<p><b>PS: Due to a conflict between Feedburner and Disqus, some of comments are <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/max_carter_talk_on_introducing_the_bible_to_younger_friends.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+QuakerRanter+%28Quaker+Ranter%29">here</a> (Wess and Lizopp), <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/max_carter_talk_on_introducing_the_bible_to_younger_friends.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+QuakerRanter+%28Quaker+Ranter%29">here</a> (Robin M) and <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/max_carter_talk_on_introducing_the_bible_to_younger_friends.php?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+QuakerRanter+%28Quaker+Ranter%29&amp;utm_content=Bloglines">here</a> (Chris M). I think I’ve fixed it so that this odd spread won’t happen again.</b></p>
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<div><b>PPS: Max emailed on 2/10/10 to say that many QLSPers are first generation or convinced themselves. He says that quite a few came to Guilford as non-Quakers (“thinking we had “gone the way of the T‑Rex”) and came in by convincement. Cool!</b></div>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote an article on Julie’s traditionalist Catholic church this week and even produced a video that gives you a feel of the worship. Because of the two little ones we try to alternate between her church and Friends meeting on First Day mornings (though my crazy work schedule over the past few [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Philadelphia Inquirer <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20070710_Reviving_a_Latin_past.html">wrote an article</a> on Julie’s <a href="http://www.materecclesiae.org/home.php">traditionalist Catholic church</a> this week and <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/multimedia/8395712.html">even produced a video</a> that gives you a feel of the worship. Because of the two little ones we try to alternate between her church and Friends meeting on First Day mornings (though my crazy work schedule over the past few months have precluded even this). I’m in no danger of becoming the “Catholic Ranter” anytime soon (sorry Julie!) but I do appreciate the reverence and sense of purpose which Mater Ecclessians bring to worship and even I have culture shock when I go to a <em>norvus ordo</em> mass these days. <a href="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2007/07/philadelphia-inquirer-on-mater-ecclesiae-in-camden-nj/">Commentary on the Inquirer piece</a> courtesy Father Zuhlsdorf. That blog and the <a href="http://closedcafeteria.blogspot.com/">Closed Cafeteria</a> are favorites around here. Here’s a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_kelley/tags/materecclesiae/">few pictures of us</a> at the church following baptisms.</p>
<p><em>PS:</em> I wish the Catholic Church as a whole were more open-minded when it comes to LGBT issues. That said, the sermons on the issue I’ve heard at Mater Ecclesiae have gone out of their way to emphasize charity. That said, I’ve occasionally heard some under the breath comments by parishioners that weren’t so charitable. Yet another reason to stay the Quaker Ranter.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[One has to applaud the sheer honesty of the group of leading Quakers who have recently proposed turning the grounds of Philadelphia’s historic Arch Street Meetinghouse into a retirement home. It makes perfect sense. Arch Street is the host for our annual sessions, where the average age is surely over 70. Why not institutionalize the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to applaud the sheer honesty of the group of leading Quakers who have recently proposed turning the grounds of Philadelphia’s historic Arch Street Meetinghouse into a retirement home. It makes perfect sense. Arch Street is the host for our annual sessions, where the average age is surely over 70. Why not institutionalize the yearly meeting reality?</p>
<p>The Arch Street Meetinghouse grounds are also a cemetery. In about ten years time we can raze the meetinghouse for more headstones and in about twenty years time we can have a big party where we cash out the yearly meeting funds and just burn them in a big bonfire (there’s a fire station across the street), formally laying down Philadelphia Yearly Meeting. The <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2003/09/the_lost_quaker_generation/">fifteen of us who are left</a> can go attach ourselves to some other yearly meeting.</p>
<p>This year’s annual sessions continue their <a href="/martink/archives/000310.php">tradition of self-parody</a>: the featured speakers are the umpteenth gray-hair professional Quaker talking about the peace testimony and a psychologist who appears on NPR. It’s safe to assume neither will stray beyond the mildest communities of faith talk to mention God, gospel order or naming of gifts, and that neither will ask why there’s almost no one under forty involved in the yearly meeting.&nbsp;The last time I went to a nominating committee workshop at annual sessions, members openly explained to me why Friends under forty couldn’t serve on committees. Later during that session we learned the average new attender was in their thirties yet the yearly meeting clerk didn’t think it was appropriate than any Friend under fifty comment on that (about 40 older Friends were recognized to share their thoughts, natch).</p>
<p>The generational freefall is coming to the yearly meeting. Arch Street Meeting is smack in the middle of one of the premier hip young neighborhoods of Philadelphia yet they’ve been resistant to doing any serious outreach or adult religious ed (I could tell stories: don’t get me started). This weekend I learned that the other downtown meeting, Central Philadelphia, continues its practice–almost policy–of not supporting emerging ministry in long-time young attenders (I could <em>really</em> tell stories).&nbsp;I wouldn’t be surprised if Philadelphia has the lowest per-capita yearly meeting attendance.</p>
<p>So why not just admit that the yearly meeting is irrelevant to younger Friends? Why not turn our meetinghouses into retirement homes?</p>
<p><em>PS: How I wish I weren’t so cynical about the yearly meeting. I don’t want to feel like it’s a state of all-out generational warfare. I’ve tried, really I have. I’m even willing to try again. But no where have I found a space to have these discussions, at yearly meeting or anywhere else. Other Phila. YM Friends concerned with these issues are welcome to email me–maybe we can figure out some forum for this either inside or outside of the official structures. </em><br>
<em>PPS: There are a lot of wonderful Friends involved with the yearly meeting. They have good ideas and sincerely try to make it a more welcoming place. The best part of the yearly meeting sessions I’ve attended have been the unexpected conversations. It’s the institution I am frustrated with: the sense that it’s bigger and dumber than all of us.</em><br>
<em>PPPS: What if I took my own words to heart and considered a PhYM renewal as part of the fifty-year plan? If I just stopped complaining and just attended patiently and faithfully year after year for those “teachable moments” that might inch it forward?</em></p>
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