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		<title>Are We More Than Our Demographics?</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the things that is intriguing me lately is the nature of Quaker debate.&#160; There are half a dozen seemingly-perennial political issues around which Friends in my circles have very strong opinions (these include abortion, nuclear power, and the role of Friends in the troubles of Israel/Palestine) . We often justify our positions with [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that is intriguing me lately is the nature of Quaker debate.&nbsp; There are half a dozen seemingly-perennial political issues around which Friends in my circles have very strong opinions (these include abortion, nuclear power, and the role of Friends in the troubles of Israel/Palestine) . We often justify our positions with appeals to our Quaker faith, but I wonder how often our opinions could be more accurately predicted by our demographic profile?</p>
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How many of your political positions and social attitudes could be accurately guessed by a savvy demographer who knew your date of birth,&nbsp; postal code,&nbsp; education and family income? I’d guess each of us are far more predictable than we’d like to think.If true,&nbsp; then what role does our religious life actually play?</p>
<p>Religious beliefs are also a demographic category,&nbsp; granted, but if they only confirm positions that could be just as actually predicted by non-spiritual data, then doesn’t that imply that we’ve simply found (or remained in) a religious community that confirms our pre-existing biases? Have we created a faith in our own image? And if true, is it really fair to justify ourselves based on appeals to Quaker values?</p>
<p>The “political” Quaker writings I’m finding most interesting (because they’re least predictable) are the ones that stop to ask how Quaker discernment fits into the debate. Discernment: one could easily argue that Quaker openings and tools around it are one of our greatest gifts to human spirituality.&nbsp; When we build a worship community based on strict adherence to the immediate prompting of the Holy Spirit, the first question becomes figuring out what is of-God and what is not.&nbsp; Is James Nayler, riding Jesus-like into Bristol, a prophet or a nut?</p>
<p>When we go deep into the questions,&nbsp; we may find that the answers are less important than the care we take to reach them.&nbsp; Waiting for one another,&nbsp; holding one another’s hand in love despite differences of opinion, can be more important than being the right-answer early adopter. How do you step back from easy answers to the thorny questions? How do you poll yourself and that-of-God in yourself to open your eyes and ears for the potential of surprise?</p>
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		<title>Confusing “Quaker Faith” for God and worshipping ourselves</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes my Quaker Ranter posts dry up for awhile. I console myself that I’m doing enough giving out the “daily reading list of Quaker posts”:/quaker, reading through my new old Quaker book collection (Samuel Bownas just visited the “meeting I’m attending most frequently these days”:http://www.pym.org/pym_mms/middletownpa_cdq.php!) and working my new “advancement and outreach “:www.FGCquaker.org/ao job–oh, and [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes my Quaker Ranter posts dry up for awhile. I console myself that I’m doing enough giving out the “daily reading list of Quaker posts”:/quaker, reading through my new old Quaker book collection (Samuel Bownas just visited the “meeting I’m attending most frequently these days”:http://www.pym.org/pym_mms/middletownpa_cdq.php!) and working my new “advancement and outreach “:www.FGCquaker.org/ao job–oh, and of course there’s also “the family”:http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_kelley/40269563/! But you could also just follow my train of thought by looking over my shoulder at comments made at other sites. Over the last few days the Quaker blogosphere has had a number of interesting posts. Here’s a cobble-together of posts and comments that have spoken to me about the inherent Quaker snare of confusing our “Quaker faith” for God.<br>
Over on Kwakersaur, David M “shares some renewal queries for his yearly meeting”:http://kwakersaur.blogspot.com/2005/11/consultation-and-renewal.html. “Nancy A”:http://nancysapology.blogspot.com detected a “sense an overall fatigue” in them and “Beppe”:http://beppeblog.blogspot.com/ agreed, asking if the seemingly-simple answers to these sorts of queries require that we first have the much harder-to-come-by “understanding [of] who we are.”<br>
One of the queries goes “What does our Quaker faith ask us to DO?” _Eeeyyaa-aa-yaaaaawwwn_. My favorite Quaker committee-meeting trick of late consists of replace all the “we”-like phrases with  _God_. How about “What does God ask us to DO?” (Just a quick testimony: I love David’s work and I value his wonderful online ministry. Any time he wants to come down to Philly to tend to our flock with talk of Quaker renewal, he’s welcome!! I’m sure everyone on the Consultation and Renewal Working Group is deeper than the queries would indicate and suspect that this is an example of the Quaker corporate dumbing-down tendency that’s practically our modus operandi.)<br>
All this ties into a great post from AJ Schwanz, “Can I Say I’m Emerging If I Haven’t Emerged or Quaker If I Haven’t Quaked?”:http://ajschwanz.com/index.php/2005/11/07/can-i-say-im-emerging-if-i-havent-emerged-or-quaker-if-i-havent-quaked/,. Here’s a taste:<br>
bq. Part of me has thought of shedding my Quaker pin. How can I use it?: have I ever quaked with the power of God? Shedding my differentiation label certainly would support the idea that “there’s really only one church, but lots of meeting places.” Particularly in this town where the Quaker college is perceived as pretty insular, would I have different interactions with folks if I simply said “I’m a follower of Christ” rather than a “Friend”? What would I miss out on? What would be gained?<br>
Paul L implicitly addresses the question of shedding the Quaker pin in his “review of Punshon’s Reasons for Hope”:http://showerofblessings.blogspot.com/2005/11/reasons-for-hope.html, where he asks if “Quakers have a unique niche to fill in the Christian and broader social landscape.”<br>
Are we Quaker because it’s comfortable, because our friends are, because the buildings are cool and the social hour coffee hot? Or the opposite: are we Friends because we really liked “Barclay’s Apology”:http://www.quakerbooks.org/get/333004 but couldn’t care less for the messyness of flesh-and-blood religious community?  Another Quaker blogger recently sent me a private email in which he confided: “My main question of late to Quakers is: what is so remarkable about Quakers?  I sometimes have to be a pain-in-the-ass in order to ask these questions.” That seems like both a good question and a important meeting role.<br>
There’s something about living both within a community and outside it. The real deal isn’t in any of our human institutions, theories or notions yet it is through these that we live out our faith. Christ as transcendent everythingness and Christ as a particular guy in a particular place speaking a particular language and living a particular life. The pull between the eternal and peculiar is the very essence of the human condition. The same voice that spoke to the prophets and apostles speaks to us today, if only we have ears to hear. How can we learn to lessen the volume on our own self-kudos long enough to hear the divine whisperer?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In late January 2004, I went to a gathering on “Quaker Faith and Practice: The Witness of Our Lives and Words,” co-sponsored by the Christian Friends Conference and the New Foundation Fellowship. Here are some thoughts about the meeting. I heard about this conference almost by accident, from a listing on Quakerinfo’s Christian Renewal page. [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In late January 2004, I went to a gathering on “Quaker Faith and Practice: The Witness of Our Lives and Words,” co-sponsored by the Christian Friends Conference and the New Foundation Fellowship. Here are some thoughts about the meeting.</p>
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<p>I heard about this conference almost by accident, from a listing on Quakerinfo’s <a href="http://www.quakerinfo.com/fcr.shtml">Christian Renewal </a>page. It was hard to get details about it, as my emails to the organizers kept getting lost, but finally I did hear back. Sessions included:</p>
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<li>The Simplicity of Our Witness to That Which We Know Within</li>
<li>The Witness of Our Meetings, Our Lives, and Our Words</li>
<li>Being a Witness to Christ’s Presence and Power in a Time of Strife</li>
<li>Living Our Witness in a Secular Age.</li>
<li>Our Witness in Scripture and Friends Writing</li>
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<p>So what did I think of the conference?</p>
<p>I liked meeting the workshop leaders and fellow participants. There are very sincere, devote Friends who are aware of the need to have the Society of Friends look more closely at our roots. The <a href="http://www.nffellowship.org/">New Foundation Fellowship</a> has been around since the mid-70s and gathered around a series of Lewis Benson’s talks about George Fox and early Friends. They publish a number of interesting books and pamphlets. The Christian Friends Conference is relatively new and I never found how quite how it differed from NFF: there was so much overlap between the two groups that that it was hard for this outsider to figure out the difference.</p>
<p>I felt very welcomed, especially by the event organizer (who went out of her way to attend to my strange vegan diet). The weekend’s agenda was upended at the last moment by the absence of NFF organizer Terry Wallace, who was too ill to come.</p>
<p>Many of the sessions were on the intellectual side–prepared speeches read from notes. I suspect this is the legacy of Lewis Benson, who was very much a presence at the conference even though he died over fifteen years ago. I missed the kind of mystical, don’t-speak-unless-led spirit of old quietist conservatives and the extended worship sessions that are becoming popular with post-liberal conservative Friends. Somewhere between these extremes there’s a balance and I wondered if NFF could reach the larger audience it deserves with just this lecture format.</p>
<p><em>Size, aka there are more Christian Friends than this:</em></p>
<p>The first impression was how small the gathering was. I suspected this would be the case when I saw so little publicity. As the weekend came near, I mentioned it to a few Philadelphia-area Christian Friends, who were surprised to hear that such an event was happening. Most sessions had about eight people and maybe two dozen or so Friends circulated through during the weekend. Most of the participants already knew each other and were members of New Foundation Fellowship and/or Ohio Yearly Meeting (Conservative).</p>
<p>This was kind of a shame. With almost 12,000 members, there are certainly more Christians embedded in Philadelphia Yearly Meeting than there are in New Foundation Fellowship and Ohio Yearly Meeting combined. This kind of a conference could have easily attracted more people than this. Many small Quaker organizations act more as support groups for a core group of people who share interests and a desire to see each other regularly (I’ve joined these kinds of groups in the past, mistakenly thinking they would get excited if they realized how many people they could attract with only a little outreach). I don’t know if this was the dynamic with NFF/CFC but no one seemed to be too concerned at the small turnout or limited publicity in Philadelphia Yearly Meeting. The NFF never put this event up on their website calendar and the CFC doesn’t even have a website, which has become a crucial outreach tool for any small, geographically-dispersed new initiative that wants to reach its intended audience.</p>
<p><em>Divides and Reaching Across:</em></p>
<p>I also felt sort of sad for the self-imposed divide going on here. In between sessions, Seth Hinshaw, clerk of Ohio Yearly Meeting, asked me about FGC and then asked each of the other people there at the time if they had ever been to the <a href="http://www.fgcquaker.org/gathering">FGC Gathering</a>. Almost none had. I know the Gathering can be a depressing place for a Christian Friend, but if you want to go fishing for new disciples, there’s nothing like it. Just the presence of grounded traditionalist Friends at the Gathering does a lot to dispel stereotypes and generate good will.</p>
<p>When Jack Smith (Ohio YM, CFC) gave his spiel on the Christian Friends Conference, it sounded very much in the same spirit as FGC’s <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20040406030939/http://www.fgcquaker.org/traveling/">Traveling Ministries Program</a>. There’s a shared impulse to look anew at traditions and to make the time to tell stories with one another, one on one, in an authentic sharing sprit. Call this the spirt of the age and label it post-liberal, emergent church, whatever–there is a lot more kinship here than we think and a lot of opportunities to go beyond our circles to connect with others.</p>
<p><em>Geographically Scattered Meetings:</em></p>
<p>From conversations and reading the Ohio Yearly Meeting minute book I learned more about a very geographically diverse meeting–<a href="http://members.tripod.com/rockinghamfriends/">Rockingham Friends</a>. Although there’s a physical town in Virginia after which it’s named, only a few members of the meeting actually live nearby. The great majority live across the country and around the world, made up of Quaker Christian Friends holding dual membership in a local yearly meeting and in Rockingham. I’ve had wonderful fellowship in the Spirit with the Rockingham Friends I’ve met (I spent some time with the London cohort last Spring). While many meetings have long-distance members on the books (it’s not uncommon to find a Philadelphia-area meeting that claims hundreds of members but only has a few dozen people on First Day), Rockingham Friends outside Virginia seem to value and affirm their <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060718123441/http://www.ohioyearlymeeting.org/discipline.htm#Affiliate">affiliate membership</a> (link to the Ohio book of discipline). It would be fascinating to hear more about how business meeting works and to understand the impulse and benefits of being part of a geographically-diverse meeting like this.</p>
<p>I find it fascinating that the most socially-conservative yearly meeting in the U.S. would have one of the most ground-breaking concept of membership. Perhaps it’s part of an evolving twenty-first century model. Many people within the Religious Society of Friends and in the larger religious world have a closer sense of identity with an intentionally-defined identity group than they do with their local meeting. Perhaps the most lively, spirit-led example in the Quaker world had its mid-winter gathering in the same Burlington meetinghouse a few weeks later: <a href="http://www.quaker.org/flgbtqc/">FLGBTQC</a>, Friends for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Concerns. I didn’t attend but all reports were that it was a much bigger gathering. (I can also guarantee that there were more Christian Quakers in the meetinghouse that weekend, an irony that deserves some chewing over sometime in the future).</p>
<p><em>Final Thoughts:</em></p>
<p>I’d certainly go again. There was some very good, thought-provoking conversations there. Is this the springboard of a Christian renewal that will sweep throughout all branches of the Religious Society of Friends? Well, probably not. But it is another rivulet making its way into the future and a interesting group to go paddling downstream with on a weekend in January.</p>
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