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		<title>Talking about Who We Believe In</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I talked with Tom Gates this week about the nature of belief. He has an article in the current Friends Journal titled “Beyond What Words Can Utter.” We agreed that a lot of Quaker belief can only be experienced, not described, which makes for difficulties when doing outreach. It’s easy to go into nuance once [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I talked with Tom Gates this week about the nature of belief. He has an article in the current <em>Friends Journal </em>titled “<a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/beyond-what-words-can-utter/">Beyond What Words Can Utter</a>.” </p>



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<p>We agreed that a lot of Quaker belief can only be experienced, not described, which makes for difficulties when doing outreach. It’s easy to go into nuance once someone has coming into the meetinghouse and is participating in an education program but how do we get them off the street in the first place. Tom said:</p>



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<p>I’m comfortable with Christ language and the inward light of Christ. And I know there are friends who are not, and there are good reasons why they’re not. I’m not denying that. in these newcomer sessions a persistent question is<em>: Are Quakers Christian?</em> And how do you understand that? And they’re mostly coming from backgrounds and other kind of more conservative churches.</p>



<p>And so that’s a live question for them because in some sense they all left those churches because the fundamentalism was grating on them. I always pull off this thing from my shelf, it’s the <a href="https://archive.org/details/readerscompanion0000pick">Reader’s Guide to George Fox’s Journal</a> by Joseph Pickvance. And he makes a fascinating statement: the commonest cause of misunderstanding of Fox’s teaching today is a failure to realize how wide and deep and functional is the meaning that quote Christ had for him.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Our discussion ranged quite a bit, from Art Larrabee’s “<a href="https://quakerspeak.com/video/9-core-quaker-beliefs/"><u>Nine Core Quaker Beliefs</u></a>” to Marcus Borg’s <em><a href="https://quakerbooks.org/products/the-heart-of-christianity-2802?_pos=1&amp;_sid=87b0d3623&amp;_ss=r&amp;variant=10594008135">Heart of Christianity</a></em> and 1653’s <em><a href="http://www.qhpress.org/texts/nayler/sauls.html">Saul’s Errand to Damascus</a></em>, by James Nayler and George Fox. I definitely need to do some more reading!</p>



<p><a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/thomas-gates/">Full show notes and a transcript are available</a>.</p>



<p>Tom has also written a <a href="https://tgates.substack.com/p/what-do-quakers-believe">follow-up post on Quaker belief</a> on his blog. </p>
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		<title>What Have Friends Been Reading?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2025 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There’s a new top-five list of articles from Friends Journal so far in 2025. We have a couple of news ones—the lawsuits against DHS and the recent Quaker Walk—but we also have more contemplative fair. I like the story of the Friends at William Penn University in Iowa discovering some of the positive qualities of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>There’s a new <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/our-top-five-articles-for-2025-so-far/">top-five list of articles</a> from <em>Friends Journal</em> so far in 2025. We have a couple of news ones—the lawsuits against DHS and the recent Quaker Walk—but we also have more contemplative fair.</p>



<p>I like the story of the Friends at William Penn University in Iowa discovering some of the positive qualities of plain dress from a internet challenge. And Gail Melix (Greenwater)‘s reflection on being both Quaker and Indigenous is quite moving.</p>



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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2019 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an East Coast unprogrammed Friend, Quaker mission work is still a bit exotic. We’re used to reading of well-meaning nineteenth century Friends whose attitudes shock us today. But here’s a story of some Midwest mission work with the Shawnee in the 1970s and 80s. Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an East Coast unprogrammed Friend, Quaker mission work is still a bit exotic. We’re used to reading of well-meaning nineteenth century Friends whose attitudes shock us today. But here’s a story of some Midwest mission work with the Shawnee in the 1970s and 80s.</p>
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  Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking and language translating, lots of transporting children and teens. It also involves preaching each week, and participation in funerals, weddings, and other traditional pastoral duties, all aimed at introducing people to Jesus.</p>
<p>  Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking and language translating, lots of transporting children and teens. It also involves preaching each week, and participation in funerals, weddings, and other traditional pastoral duties, all aimed at introducing people to Jesus.&nbsp;
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<p>http://www.liberalfirst.com/opinion/our-great-commission</p>
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		<title>New eBook “Remixing Faith” Now Available</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Wess Daniels: I have put this talk together in ebook form complete with lots of pictures and illustrations and formatting that adds to the reading experience. I wanted to share this with all of you and make it as accessible as possible, so it is free to download. It should work with most modern-day [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wess Daniels:</p>
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  I have put this talk together in ebook form complete with lots of pictures and illustrations and formatting that adds to the reading experience. I wanted to share this with all of you and make it as accessible as possible, so it is free to download. It should work with most modern-day eBook readers and apps. If that doesn’t work for you, I have also turned the talk into a downloadable .PDF.
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<p>http://gatheringinlight.com/2018/11/20/new-ebook-remixing-faith-now-available/</p>
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		<title>North American Quaker statistics 1937–2017</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These are numbers of Friends in Canada and the United States (including Alaska, which was tallied separately prior to statehood) compiled from Friends World Committee for Consultation. I dug up these numbers from three sources: 1937, 1957, 1967, 1977, 1987 from Quakers World Wide: A History of FWCC by Herbert Hadley in 1991 (many thanks [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are numbers of Friends in Canada and the United States (including Alaska, which was tallied separately prior to statehood) compiled from Friends World Committee for Consultation. I dug up these numbers from three sources:</p>
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<li>1937, 1957, 1967, 1977, 1987 from <em>Quakers World Wide: A History of FWCC</em> by Herbert Hadley in 1991 (many thanks to FWCC’s Robin Mohr for a scan of the <a href="_wp_link_placeholder" data-wplink-edit="true">relevant chart</a>).</li>
<li>1972, 1992 from Earlham School of Religion’s <em>The Present State of Quakerism</em>, 1995, <a href="http://archive.is/7DQOz">archived here</a>.</li>
<li>2002 on from <a href="https://www.fwccamericas.org">FWCC directly</a>. Note: <a href="https://www.fwccamericas.org/_img/content/fwccworldmap2017-1.pdf">Current 2017 map</a>.</li>
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<p><strong>Friends in the U.S. and Canada:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>1937: 114,924</li>
<li>1957: 122,663</li>
<li>1967: 122,780</li>
<li>1972: 121,380</li>
<li>1977: 119,160</li>
<li>1987: 109,732</li>
<li>1992: 101,255</li>
<li>2002: 92,786</li>
<li>2012: 77,660</li>
<li>2017: 81,392</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Friends in Americas (North, Middle South):</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>1937: 122,166</li>
<li>1957: 131,000</li>
<li>1967: 129,200</li>
<li>1977: 132,300</li>
<li>1987: 139,200</li>
<li>2017: 140,065</li>
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<p>You could write a book about what these numbers do and don’t mean. The most glaring omission is that they don’t show the geographic or theological shifts that took place over time. Midwestern Friends have taken a disproportionate hit, for example, and many Philadelphia-area meetings are much smaller than they were a century ago, while independent meetings in the West and/or adjacent to colleges grew like wildflowers mid-century.</p>
<p>My hot take on this is that the reunification work of the early 20th century gave Quakers a solid identity and coherent structure. Howard Brinton’s <em>Friends for 300 Years</em>&nbsp;from 1952 is a remarkably confident document. In many areas, Friends became a socially-progressive, participatory religious movement that was attractive to people tired of more creedal formulations; mixed-religious parents came looking for First-day school community for their children. Quakers’ social justice work was very visible and attracted a number of new people during the antiwar 1960s<span id="easy-footnote-1-61369" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/north-american-quaker-statistics-1937-2017/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-61369" title="Mackenzie Morgan has reminded me that Quaker membership often gave draft exemptions. It's true: I've known weighty Friends who initially joined for this very reason."><sup>1</sup></a></span>&nbsp;and the alternative community groundswell of the 1970s. These various newcomers offset the decline of what we might call “ethnic” Friends in rural meetings through this period.</p>
<p>That magic balance of Quaker culture matching the zeitgeist of religious seekers disappeared somewhere back in the 1980s. We aren’t on forefront of any current spiritual trends. While there are bright spots and exceptions <span id="easy-footnote-2-61369" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/north-american-quaker-statistics-1937-2017/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-61369" title="The formation of <a href=&quot;http://www.quakervoluntaryservice.org&quot;>Quaker Voluntary Service</a> after <a href=&quot;https://www.quakerranter.org/passing_the_faith_planet_of_th/&quot;>so many years of unsupported effort</a> is a big win for us. The <a href=&quot;https://www.quakerranter.org/who-tells-our-story/&quot;>Beliefnet quiz</a> has been a (relatively unearned) source of visibility"><sup>2</sup></a></span>, we’ve largely struggled with retaining newcomers in recent years. We’re losing our elders more quickly than we’re bringing in new people, hence the forty percent drop since the high water of 1987.&nbsp;The small 2017 uptick might be a good sign<span id="easy-footnote-3-61369" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/north-american-quaker-statistics-1937-2017/#easy-footnote-bottom-3-61369" title="Check out Friends Journal's August issue, <a href=&quot;https://www.friendsjournal.org/2018/going-viral-with-quakerism/&quot;>Going Viral with Quakerism</a>, for lots of positive examples of current outreach"><sup>3</sup></a></span> or it may be a statistical phantom.<span id="easy-footnote-4-61369" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/north-american-quaker-statistics-1937-2017/#easy-footnote-bottom-4-61369" title="These numbers are crazy dodgy; see some of the caveats in <a href=&quot;https://www.friendsjournal.org/new-worldwide-quaker-released/&quot;>Friends Journal's 2017 articles on the latest chart</a>; tl/dr: everyone counts membership differently. Still, this descent is not merely a methodological drop."><sup>4</sup></a></span> I’ll be curious to see what the next census brings.</p>
<p><em>2023 Update: I seem to have mixed up some numbers in my original 2018 post and have corrected them above.</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2018 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chalk this one up as another whisper-down-the-lane. As readers will probably remember, a few weeks ago, non-Friend Simon Jenkins wrote an&#160;opinion piece in The Guardian about the possibility of British Friends dropping God from their Faith and Practice. There were a lot of exaggerations in it; the yearly meeting session was mostly deciding whether it [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chalk this one up as another whisper-down-the-lane. As readers will probably remember, a few weeks ago, non-Friend Simon Jenkins wrote an&nbsp;<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the-quakers-are-right-we-dont-need-god/">opinion piece in The Guardian</a> about the possibility of British Friends dropping God from their <em>Faith and Practice</em>. There were a lot of exaggerations in it; the yearly meeting session was mostly deciding whether it it <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/british-quakers-take-long-hard-look-at-faith/">felt led to start the long process of revising the document of Friends’ belief and practice</a>. Many yearly meetings do this every generation or so. AFAIK, there was no substantive discussion on what the revisions might bring. At the time, I speculated that “Jenkins is chasing the headline to advance his own argument without regard to how his statement might polarize Friends.”</p>
<p>Now we have another headline chaser. The president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary more or less <a href="https://albertmohler.com/2018/05/14/briefing-5-14-18/">reads Jenkins’s piece aloud on his radio show</a>&nbsp;(hat-tip havedanson on the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Quakers/comments/8jmaee/southern_baptist_leader_comments_on_guardian/?st=jh7w5uff&amp;sh=595313b3">Quakers subreddit</a>).&nbsp;He lightly skips over the fact that Jenkins isn’t Quaker and admits to limited experience of Quaker worship. The SBTS president, Albert Mohler, repeatedly calls the Guardian article a “news report” even though it is clearly labeled as an opinion piece.&nbsp;If any publicity is good publicity then it’s good that non-Friends like Jenkins and now Mohler are talking about the decision-making process of a Quaker yearly meeting, but this is stupid piled on stupid.</p>
<p>From a media perspective, I get it: Mohler has a daily 24-minute podcast to fill. He has interns who scan buzzy news items. They rearrange the text with interstitials like “he continues, and I quote” and “he goes on to say” so that Mohler can spend five minutes reading an article without sounding like he’s just reading an article. But seriously, how does the president of a major seminary have such disregard for anything approaching academic rigor? Also: how much regurgitated junk is on the internet simply because people need to fill time? The Quaker caution about giving ministry just because you’re paid to give ministry and it’s time to give ministry seems apt in this case.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Gregg Koselka, a post that rewards reading a few times: Risking Community When I look around, there is still so much hurt that needs to be processed. There are still real differences in philosophy about how to build community. Some see how much needs to radically change so that those who have been marginalized [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Gregg Koselka, a post that rewards reading a few times: <a href="https://outofdoubt.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/risking-community/">Risking Community</a></p>
<blockquote><p>When I look around, there is still so much hurt that needs to be processed. There are still real differences in philosophy about how to build community. Some see how much needs to radically change so that those who have been marginalized can truly be safe and have agency, and so want to go slowly to build it correctly. Some see the damage having no community can bring, and want to do what they can to build something as safely as possible. I hate that these differences are still causing damage to our relationships and our communities. I don’t have a solution.</p>
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<p>I appreciate the way he tries to understand the flip sides of community and institutionalism; perhaps schism could be seen as the moment they can no longer be negotiated. As pastor of one of the “most institutional of institutional churches for 15 years,” he was in the center of the centrifugal forces that tore apart both Northwest Yearly Meeting as a whole and indivisible Friends churches within it. From a distance of 3000 miles and 150 years of diverging Quaker history, I’m not in a position to say whether things could have gone differently or whether individuals always acted in their best ways but I can appreciate that it there must have been a lot of impossible choices and no-good answers as polarization gave way to disintegration.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The sobriety of Barclay: games, sports, and comedies So here I am, reading detective novels, getting massages, listening to blues, and grieving the death of Harry Anderson. Are my recreations evidence of the degradation of society (or of Friends) in the centuries since Barclay? Or am I uniquely corrupt? Or is there a way I’m [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>So here I am, reading detective novels, getting massages, listening to blues, and grieving the death of Harry Anderson. Are my recreations evidence of the degradation of society (or of Friends) in the centuries since Barclay? Or am I uniquely corrupt? Or is there a way I’m actually honoring his cautions despite the greater freedoms I claim in choosing ways to relax?</p></blockquote>
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