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		<title>Trust, direct revelation and church teachings</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A response to &#160;a post by Jess Easter on QuakerQuaker, “My Quaker Relationship with Jesus”: It’s not anti-Christian to say you have doubts about your relationship with Jesus. It’s perfectly human. Most of us would get bogged down in the intellectualism if we tried to map out a precise God/Christ relationship. One thing I’ve always [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response to &nbsp;a post by Jess Easter on QuakerQuaker, “<a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/profiles/blogs/my-quaker-relationship-with">My Quaker Relationship with Jesus</a>”:</p>
<p>It’s not anti-Christian to say you have doubts about your relationship with Jesus. It’s perfectly human. Most of us would get bogged down in the intellectualism if we tried to map out a precise God/Christ relationship. One thing I’ve always liked about Friends is our radical honesty in this regards. A priest in a strictly orthodox liturgical tradition is expected to preach on topics on which they have no direct divine experience and to base their words on church teachings. When a Friend rises in ministry they are expected to be speak from a moment of direct revelation.</p>
<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.martinkelley.com/skitch/The_Quaker_Synod-20110315-131010.jpg?w=640" alt align="right">We also have church teachings of course. Robert Barclay is our go-to guy on many theological matters, and certain journals have become all-but-canonized on the way we understand ourselves and our tradition. It’s just that this second-hand knowledge needs to be presented as such and kept out of the actual worship time. As my Quaker journey has progressed, I’ve directly experienced more and more openings that confirm the tenets of traditional Quaker Christianity. That’s built my trust.</p>
<p>I’m now willing to give the benefit of the doubt to beliefs that I haven’t myself experienced. If someone like William Penn says he’s had a direct revelation about a particular issue, I’ll trust his account. I know that in those cases where we had similar openings, our spiritual experiences have matched. I won’t minister about what he’s said. I won’t get defensive about a point of doctrine. I’ll just let myself open to the possibility that even the more intellectually outlandish parts of orthodox Christian doctrine just might be true.</p>
<p><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.martinkelley.com/skitch/Google_Image_Result_for_http__tatertotco.files.wordpress.com_2008_07_img_0754.jpg-20110315-131455.jpg?w=640" alt align="right">It’s tempting to go to “holy” sites to expect some special revelation. In her post, Jess reports feeling a sense of feeling “bored and indifferent” when visiting the Western Wall and the&nbsp;Garden of Gethsemane. I think this is perfectly normal. There’s the story of the Quaker minister traveling through the American colonies with a local Friend as guide. They come to a crossroads and the local Friend points to tree stump and proudly proclaims that George Fox himself tied his horse to that tree when it was alive. The traveling minister dismounts his horse and walks to the stump. He stands there silently for awhile and walks back to his traveling companion with a sober look. The local is excited and asks him what he saw. The traveling minister replied: I looked into the face of idolatry.</p>
<p>The Holy Spirit is not confined or enshrined in any place–be it the Western Wall, the gilded steepled church or the tree George Fox sat under. Jesus’ death tore the Temple shroud in two and His spirit is with us always, even when it’s hard to feel or see. I think the boredom we experience in “holy” sites or with “holy” people is often &nbsp;a teaching gift–a guidance to look elsewhere for Spiritual truth.<em><br>
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		<title>Friends and theology and geek pick-up hotspots</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels posts about Quaker theology on his blog. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering talk about FGC Quakerism. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet: “[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels posts about <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/06/03/an-apologetic-for-a-quaker-theology-do-we-need-it-or-want-it">Quaker theology on his blog</a>. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000817022309/http://www.fgcquaker.org/library/history/frost1.html">talk about FGC Quakerism</a>. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet:</p>
<blockquote><p>“[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like Jones and Cadbury were all birthright and they wrote books as well as pamphlets. Before unification, PYM Orthodox and the other Orthodox meetings produced philosophers, theologians, and Bible scholars, but now the combined yearly meetings in FGC produce weighty Friends, social activists, and earnest seekers.”<br>
…<br>
“The liberals who created the FGC had a thirst for knowledge, for linking the best in religion with the best in science, for drawing upon both to make ethical judgments. Today by becoming anti-intellectual in religion when we are well-educated we have jettisoned the impulse that created FGC, reunited yearly meetings, redefined our role in wider society, and created the modern peace testimony. The kinds of energy we now devote to meditation techniques and inner spirituality needs to be spent on philosophy, science, and Christian religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This talk was hugely influential to my wife Julie and myself. We had just met two days before and while I had developed an instant crush, Frost’s talk was the first time we sat next to one another. I realized that this might become something serious when we both laughed out loud at Jerry’s wry asides and theology jokes. We ended up walking around the campus late into the early hours talking talking talking.</p>
<p>But the talk wasn’t just the religion geek equivalent of a pick-up bar. We both responded to Frost’s call for a new generation of serious Quaker thinkers. Julie enrolled in a Religion PhD program, studying Quaker theology under Frost himself for a semester. I dove into historians like Thomas Hamm and modern thinkers like Lloyd Lee Wilson as a way to understand and articulate the implicit theology of “FGC Friends” and took independent initiatives to fill the gaps in FGC services, taking leadership in young adult program and co-leading workshops and interest groups.</p>
<p>Things didn’t turn out as we expected. I hesitate speaking for Julie but I think it’s fair enough to say that she came to the conclusion that Friends ideals and practices were unbridgable and she left Friends. I’ve documented my own setbacks and right now I’m pretty detached from formal Quaker bodies.</p>
<p>Maybe enough time hasn’t gone by yet. I’ve heard that the person sitting on Julie’s other side for that talk is now studying theology up in New England; another Friend who I suspect was nearby just started at Earlham School of Religion. I’ve called this <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">the Lost Quaker Generation</a> but at least some of its members have just been lying low. It’s hard to know whether any of these historically-informed Friends will ever help shape FGC popular culture in the way that Quaker academia influenced liberal Friends did before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Rereading Frost’s speech this afternoon it’s clear to see it as an important inspiration for <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a>. Parts of it act well as a good liberal Quaker vision for what the blogosphere has since taken to calling convergent Friends. I hope more people will stumble on Frost’s speech and be inspired, though I hope they will be careful not to tie this vision too closely with any existing institution and to remember the true source of that <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&amp;chapter=6&amp;verse=11&amp;version=kjv#11">daily bread</a>. Here’s a few more inspirational lines from Jerry:</p>
<blockquote><p>We should remember that theology can provide a foundation for unity. We ought to be smart enough to realize that any formulation of what we believe or linking faith to modern thought is a secondary activity; to paraphrase Robert Barclay, words are description of the fountain and not the stream of living water. Those who created the FGC and reunited meetings knew the possibilities and dangers of theology, but they had a confidence that truth increased possibilities.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Some pseudo-convergent outreach events at Gathering</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those Quaker Ranters readers who are coming to the “FGC Gathering”:www.FGCquaker.org/gathering but haven’t lost internet access yet might be interested in some of the events the Advancement &#38; Outreach committee is sponsoring over the week. There will be a flyer in the registration packets (all these events will take place in Admin 203). For those [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those Quaker Ranters readers who are coming to the “FGC Gathering”:www.FGCquaker.org/gathering but haven’t lost internet access yet might be interested in some of the events the Advancement &amp; Outreach committee is sponsoring over the week. There will be a flyer in the registration packets (all these events will take place in Admin 203). For those not coming, I suspect I’ll have some sort of Gathering round-up post at some point after it’s all done. I’m also co-hosting a Monday night interest group with LizOpp and Robin: “On Fire! Renewing Quakerism through a Convergence of Friends.” For details, see “Liz’s post”:http://thegoodraisedup.blogspot.com/2006/06/interest-group-at-gathering.html or “Robin’s post”:http://robinmsf.blogspot.com/2006/06/convergent-travels.html.</p>
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<p>bq.. The FGC Advancement and Outreach committee is sponsoring afternoon events during four days of Gathering. Come share your outreach ideas, learn about FGC and support the growth of Quakerism!<br>
*All Friends Welcome, 1:30–3:00*<br>
Monday:  “What Do Quakers Believe?” Come talk about the range of Quaker beliefs, from Robert Barclay to the present day, and explore what binds us together as Friends. Convened by Deborah Haines.<br>
Wednesday:  A special welcome to Friends from Pacific, North Pacific and Intermountain Yearly Meetings.  Come talk about the spirit, concerns, and Quaker ways of these three independent yearly meetings.<br>
Thursday:  Visitors from Freedom Friends Church will join us to talk about the witness of this unique independent evangelical Friends Church.<br>
*Outreach Hours, 3:15–4:15*<br>
Sunday: Visibility. Interested in publicizing your meeting and getting the Quaker message out into your community? Friends are invited to come share their stories and questions and pick up a free copy of our “Inreach-Outreach Packet for Small Meetings.” Jane Berger will host.<br>
Monday: Isolated Friends &amp; New Worship Groups. Learn about FGC’s new service for Friends and seekers who live far from any meeting or worship group. Are you interested in helping to nurture new worship groups? Come find out what resources are available from the FGC Advancement Committee, and share your stories and ideas.<br>
Wednesday: Friends interested in affiliation. FGC is an association of 14 yearly meetings and regional groups and 9 directly affiliated monthly meetings. A&amp;O clerk Deborah Haines will talk about the work of FGC and the benefits of affiliation.<br>
Thursday: Spiritual Hospitality. It’s easy to feel isolated even within a local meeting. A&amp;O coordinator Martin Kelley will talk about some strategies to overcome the isolations of age, theology, race, lifestyle, etc. What can meetings do to help these Friends not feel isolated?</p>
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