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		<title>Cesar Chavez and me</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2026 14:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, so stunned to read the reports of Cesar Chavez abusing young girls and raping United Farm Worker VP Dolores Huerta. In the mid-80s I was one of the many idealistic college kids who interned with the UFW for a summer. I got to hang out with him a number of times. His son-in-law ran [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so stunned to read the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/18/us/cesar-chavez-sexual-abuse-allegations-ufw.html?unlocked_article_code=1.UVA.MphD.jM6QFMH4l1ua&amp;smid=url-share">reports of Cesar Chavez abusing young girls</a> and <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/19/us/dolores-huerta-cesar-chavez-united-farm-workers.html?unlocked_article_code=1.UVA.krVC.ZhKIQb_fd0Ei&amp;smid=url-share">raping United Farm Worker VP Dolores Huerta</a>.</p>
<p>In the mid-80s I was one of the many idealistic college kids who interned with the UFW for a summer. I got to hang out with him a number of times. His son-in-law ran the NYC-based media campaign and Cesar would come for planning meetings but also to visit his daughter and grandkids. She made great cheese enchiladas and all of us would talk late into the night as he told stories.</p>
<p>I do remember thinking—and asking—why the sainted VP Dolores Huerta never actually seemed all that involved, at least not to the point of ever coming East that summer to participate in NYC-based media strategy meetings. It was explained she was needed back in California.<span id="easy-footnote-1-316105" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/cesar-chavez-a-civil-rights-icon-is-accused-of-abusing-girls-for-years/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-316105" title="In retrospect the story she tells in the linked story above of being sent on a wild goose chase to Florida so she would miss an important press conference seems related."><sup>1</sup></a></span> I never met her. I remember not being surprised at all that she didn’t ascend to the UFW presidency when Cesar died. It went instead to the son-in-law who had led our office.</p>
<p>My direct supervisor was a schlub and sexist pig. He was always making inappropriately suggestive comments to the young female interns, which they universally laughed off. They were all smart, confident women with futures who weren’t going to be put off by him. I was the only male intern that summer and he put me in shitty assignments, pressuring me to drop out. I assume I was seen as competition and indeed I did start dating a fellow intern (the only reason I put up with his behavior and made it through the summer). I see he’s still with the UFW, now listed as first vice president, which is not at all inspiring.</p>
<p>It was perhaps the most dysfunctional office culture I’ve ever seen. The union’s influence had obviously declined since the heady days of RFK marching with Cesar in huge rallies. They seemed to jump from fad to fad hoping to recapture attention. That year direct marketing was all the rage in business circles and the UFW was jumping in with both feet. We would spend hours in meetings setting unrealistic expectations, then break our own guidelines to “meet” them. I’d be called out for trying to do things the way we had agreed. I remember wondering if any of the office work I did that summer actually made a jot of difference. Helping to organize East Coast appearances of Cesar was definitely the highlight of the summer—well, that and the girlfriend and getting to hang out in New York City all the time.</p>
<p>I do have to wonder now if some of the dysfunction and sexism in the office was ultimately related to Cesar’s repeated molestation of children.<span id="easy-footnote-2-316105" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/cesar-chavez-a-civil-rights-icon-is-accused-of-abusing-girls-for-years/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-316105" title="Just to be clear, I never saw anything. It seems from these reports that he we went after young Chicana girls back in the isolated farm towns in California"><sup>2</sup></a></span> Did he foster a culture in which we laughed off bad behavior and didn’t question poor management?</p>


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		<title>Tim Gee tracks down Ann Lee’s Quaker connection</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2026 21:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always love a little sleuthing and all the better if it argues against some poorly researched report that made its way to Wikipedia. The claim is that Shaker leader Ann Lee was born a Quaker. The Wikipedia entry says: “Her parents were members of a distinct branch of the Society of Friends (a sect [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love a little sleuthing and all the better if it argues against some poorly researched report that made its way to Wikipedia.</p>
<p>The claim is that Shaker leader Ann Lee was born a Quaker. The Wikipedia entry says: “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Lee#:~:text=Her%20parents%20were%20members%20of%20a%20distinct%20branch%20of%20the%20Society%20of%20Friends%20(a%20sect%20of%20Quakers)%20and%20too%20poor%20to%20afford%20their%20children%20even%20the%20rudiments%20of%20education">Her parents were members of a distinct branch of the Society of Friends (a sect of Quakers) and too poor to afford their children even the rudiments of education.</a>” The source of this is given in the citation: a 1879 encyclopedia article, a copy of which is hosted on Wikisource: “<a href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_American_Cyclop%C3%A6dia_(1879)/Lee,_Ann#:~:text=Her%20parents%20were%20members%20of%20a%20distinct%20branch%20of%20the%20society%20of%20Friends%2C%20and%20too%20poor%20to%20afford%20their%20children%20even%20the%20rudiments%20of%20education">Her parents were members of a distinct branch of the society of Friends, and too poor to afford their children even the rudiments of education</a>.” A source for this claim was never given in the encyclopedia, though later on it does reference Frederick William Evans, a much later Shaker figure.</p>
<p>That is the Tim Gee compiles <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/ann-lee-was-never-a-quaker-heres-the-evidence/">five pieces of evidence that together feel very convincing</a>.</p>
<p>There are of course influences but that’s to be expected. Every religious movement of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening">Second Great Awakening</a> had some relationship to Quakers. The Methodists, Mormons, Holiness, Adventists all have some connections. When you tour the “1652 Country” area of England, where George Fox first brought Quakers together, you’ll keep running into signs about John Wesley doing the same for Methodists a century later, and here in South Jersey where I live a whole slew of Quakers became Methodists in the early 1800s. At least one early Mormon evangelist in Ohio essentially went from Quaker town to Quaker town trying to recruit people. The Quaker defense of female leadership and the principle that women can preach obviously rubbed off on the Shakers and other movements.</p>
<p>The idea that the British colonies in America were some pure land where we could reinvent a primitive Christianity was a powerful meme (if you will) at the time and certainly drew Ann Lee to cross over and plant a religious movement here. But Ann Lee picked one of the least Quaker areas to plant her community and drew early members from New England millennialist revivalists. She definitely wanted to build something distinct from Friends.</p>
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		<title>March 29: A Quaker Trans Day of Visibility Gathering</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2026 18:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ten authors featured in the March 2026 Friends Journal special issue on gender and sexual identities join trans and nonbinary moderators for facilitated conversation. Free and both online at at Swarthmore College. Learn more here. I wrote the introductory column for this issue. Here’s a taste: am grateful that both our religious society and wider [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten authors featured in the March 2026 <em>Friends Journal</em> special issue on gender and sexual identities join trans and nonbinary moderators for facilitated conversation. Free and both online at at Swarthmore College. <a href="https://secure.qgiv.com/for/PYMEvents/event/transdayofvisibility-2026/">Learn more here</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote the <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/to-be-known-and-loved/">introductory column for this issue</a>. Here’s a taste:</p>
<blockquote><p>am grateful that both our religious society and wider culture have developed a greater understanding of the diversity of gender expressions. I appreciate an expanded vocabulary with which to include people. (Only ten years ago the singular “they” was still cautioned against in the&nbsp;<em>Friends Journal</em>&nbsp;style guide!) Change can be confusing and bewildering, but open conversations between Friends one-on-one and in settings like a clearness committee can help us understand one another in our longing to be known and loved.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can read the <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/to-be-known-and-loved/">whole issue on Friends Journal</a>.</p>
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		<title>What Do Quakers Believe?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2025 21:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How’s the old joke go? Ask five Quakers what they believe and you’ll get ten answers. Undaunted, December’s Friends Journal tries to give some answers to the question anyway. I very much hope that individual Friends will find viewpoints they really like as well as ones they really don’t like, or at least don’t agree [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How’s the old joke go? Ask five Quakers what they believe and you’ll get ten answers. Undaunted, December’s <em>Friends Journal</em> <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/issue-category/2025/what-do-we-believe/">tries to give some answers to the question anyway</a>. I very much hope that individual Friends will find viewpoints they really like as well as ones they really don’t like, or at least don’t agree with. That there are no pat answers is itself part of the answer to the question.</p>
<p>Bonus: we’ve been working on expanding our international inclusion in the magazine and an article from <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/you-will-be-told-what-you-must-do/">Salvadoran Jasson Arevalo on the role of Quaker pastors</a> is the first fruits of our new Latin American correspondent’s outreach efforts.</p>


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		<title>Elizabeth Spiers on Early Blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2025 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She describes a different time, indeed. Early blogging was slower, less beholden to the hourly news cycle, and people were more inclined to talk about personal enthusiasms as well as what was going on in the world because blogs were considered an individual enterprise, not necessarily akin to a regular publication. I appreciate her comments [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She <a href="https://www.elizabethspiers.com/requiem-for-early-blogging/">describes a different time</a>, indeed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Early blogging was slower, less beholden to the hourly news cycle, and people were more inclined to talk about personal enthusiasms as well as what was going on in the world because blogs were considered an individual enterprise, not necessarily akin to a regular publication.</p></blockquote>
<p>I appreciate her comments on invested readers. The number of people who were part of the “Quaker blogosphere” back in day was not that large but something about the crucible of the writing and debating meant that they developed ideas that have outsized influence today. The same sorts of conversations continue to happen today in corners of Facebook, Reddit, and Discord but there’s not the same sort of feeling of shared community.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2025 01:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I mentioned this back in May but there’s still time to join “Christ and Creation: Illuminate Bible Study” this Saturday, October 18, an online Bible study co-sponsored by Barclay Press and the Pendle Hill and Woodbrooke study centers. I’ll be one of the panelists talking. It’s pay-as-led so come join us if you’re available. When [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>I mentioned this back in <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/christ-and-creation-presentation-this-october/">May</a> but there’s still time to join “Christ and Creation: Illuminate Bible Study” this Saturday, October 18, an online Bible study co-sponsored by Barclay Press and the Pendle Hill and Woodbrooke study centers. I’ll be one of the panelists talking. </p>



<p>It’s pay-as-led so come join us if you’re available. When it starts depends on where you are of course. It’s 11:00 am here on the U.S. East Coast, which translates to 4pm UK time and 8am Pacific Time. It will last about two hours. You can sign up with either <a href="https://www.woodbrooke.org.uk/courses/christ-and-creation/">Woodbrooke</a> or <a href="https://pendlehill.org/calendar/christ-and-creation/">Pendle Hill</a>.</p>



<p>This is based on the <a href="https://barclaypress.corecommerce.com/ILLUMINATE/">Illuminate Bible study curriculum</a> put out by Barclay Press. I wrote for the issue on “<a href="https://barclaypress.corecommerce.com/ILLUMINATE/Illuminate-Christ-in-Creation.html">Christ in Creation</a>,” which you can purchase as a physical or electronic book.</p>



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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 19:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I talked with Friends Journal author Ronald Marullo this week. His article, “I Aint’ Marching Anymore” (a nod to Phil Ochs of course), recounts his path to conscientious objection during the Vietnam war, helped by a very knowledgable Quaker counselor. It always amazes me that just a few conversations at the right time can help [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I talked with <em>Friends Journal</em> author Ronald Marullo this week. His article, “<a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/i-aint-marching-anymore/">I Aint’ Marching Anymore</a>” (a nod to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVTBCtYjoY">Phil Ochs</a> of course), recounts his path to conscientious objection during the Vietnam war, helped by a very knowledgable Quaker counselor. It always amazes me that just a few conversations at the right time can help someone clarify their beliefs and set their lives on a different path.</p>
<p>I was especially interested in talking about the after-effects of the CO process since I went through something similar myself. Around age 17 my father started lobbying hard for me to go to the Naval Academy at Annapolis. Except for a few years in Presbyterian Sunday School we had grown up mostly a‑religious and I found the idea intriguing. I think in retrospect I was mostly excited by the idea of an orderly life that might address my ADHD (called <em>hyperactivity</em> in those days). I got far enough into the process to take a physical and get a letter of commendation from our congressperson but then thought more about the military itself. I realized I didn’t feel comfortable joining an organization whose purpose was threatening to kill. I had on principle, and without much deliberation, decided not to engage in schoolyard fights years before, and suffered the regular humiliations that comes of being the smallest kid in class who everyone knows won’t fight back. To the disappointment of my father I stopped the application process for the navy. As I pondered what to do next, I asked myself what other values might come from my newfound pacifism. Over the next few years I explored various leads and—being in the Philadelphia area—started running into Quakers, some of whom had a kind of inner conviction I found intriguing.</p>
<p>So while I was far too young to ever worry about a draft, I did have a similar defining “what do I believe” moment as a teenager. As Ron says in our <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/a-journey-of-conscience-ronald-marullos-story/">author chat podcast</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>That was a turning point in my life. I made decisions from filling out those forms and answering those questions actually made concrete what I had inside me, ideally. You think about this and think about that and whether or not you hold it true. But when you have to put it all on paper and you have to submit it to the world, it changes you. And I’ve lived by that philosophy since that age. I’ve done it in my educational experience with children. I’ve done it in my private life with friends, caregiving others. My wife and I have been doing that, you know, for decades.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2025 01:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lessons from 1842, when Indiana Friends were torn between antislavery and partisanship. I’m starting to wonder if it’s time to revisit that 19th century advice, and step back. I’ve seen too much of the corrupting influence of partisanship. I’ve seen too many arguments from people who know better about which people are not really people. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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