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		<title>Less is More: The Testament of Ann Lee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2026 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was really looking forward to The Testament of Ann Lee, the biopic of Shaker founder Ann Lee, directed and cowritten by Mona Fastvold and starring Amanda Seyfried as the titular character. My wife and I have read a bunch of books on Shakers over the last few years, including at least one cited by [&#8230;]]]></description>
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</div><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><em><em>Stirring rendition of a <a href="https://www.americanmusicpreservation.com/shakermusic.htm">song first published a full century after this ocean passage</a></em>.</em></figcaption></figure>



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<p class="has-drop-cap">I was really looking forward to <a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt34819091/"><em>The Testament of Ann Lee</em></a>, the biopic of Shaker founder Ann Lee, directed and cowritten by Mona Fastvold and starring Amanda Seyfried as the titular character. My wife and I have read a bunch of books on Shakers over the last few years, including at least one cited by the filmmakers in the end credits. We knew from the trailer that this would be a Hollywood treatment, with Ann Lee played by a lithesome young blonde actress but we figured it might be interesting enough anyway.</p>



<p>Nope. It didn’t feel as if the director really understood either the theology behind Shaker aesthetics or the profound oddness of Mother Ann. Much of the movie leaned heavily on music-video styling, with wall-of sound electronica and well-trained singing voices reworking Shaker hymns, all set to carefully choreographed dance scenes. That would be fine for a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVZOLV9SPo">Pat Benetar</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZInRE-KryGA">biopic</a> but the real Shakers were fiercely against musical instruments (they considered them used “<a href="https://www.folkstreams.net/contexts/the-shaker-song-tradition">to excite lasciviousness, and to invite and stimulate men to destroy each others’ lives</a>”). I’ve always imagined that dancing would have been more of the random repetitive trance of hippy or all-night raver—chaotic, unpredictable, profoundly un-synchronized.</p>



<p>I certainly understand that creators of period dramas sometimes feel the need to go off in ahistorical directions, especially in their use of music, as a way of setting a mood. But the plainness of Shaker music and dance is precisely its point. To make it too perfect is to misunderstand the theology itself.</p>



<p>The Ann Lee in my head canon isn’t a comely figure with a lust for mystical visions, burning truth and kindness for all. She’s short, kind of shapeless, illiterate, but most of all she’s unpredictable, by turns kind and mean, but also batshit and manipulative. The movie only has one scene about her confessions (a tame depiction at that), which is a shame as confessions were a core part of Mother Ann-era Shaker bonding. When people came to join or even visit the Shakers, she would confront them to confess all their sins in great detail. It was a humiliating process and not by accident: personal humiliation is a key tactic for all cults. There’s an implied blackmail, as embarrassing details could be shared publicly of anyone who might change their mind and want to leave. Another common cult tactic is separating individuals from their families, also an essential part of the Shaker experience.</p>



<p>In the movie, we see a dramatic example of townspeople terrorizing the Shakers but we’re never shown <em>why</em> the locals might be so angry. When people joined the Shakers they split up marriages, pulled children from parents, demanded converts give their material goods to the collective, and turned the new believers against their non-Shaker families. There were accusations that they stole wives and children, all detailed in lawsuits. The Shaker model was a profound threat to the familial structures that held together late-eighteenth century New England life. The violence shown the Shakers was inexcusable but also somewhat understandable—well, unless you watched this movie, where it was portrayed as a fear of the unknown.</p>



<p>The details also seriously strayed from history toward the end, depicting later Shaker life as co-existing with Mother Ann. That’s a terrible choice. Shakerism as an organized religion arguably only began shortly after her death, when a new leadership came together, new settlements started, and a social structure constructed that rewarded technical innovation. Pretty much everything we associate with Shaker design—the flat brooms (1798), the efficiently of the round barns (1826), the apple peelers (1830s), even the <a href="https://www.americanmusicpreservation.com/shakermusic.htm">hymns that this movie sets to modern music</a> (“Song of Summer” is c. 1875)—came later and really <em>could only have come </em>from institutional Shakers. This is the course of most new religious movements: a charismatic leader holding a small band of committed zealots together, followed by a later institutionalization of roles. By smushing these eras together, Mother Lee’s life is sanitized and Shakers presented as an American origin story.<span id="easy-footnote-1-315986" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the-testament-of-ann-lee/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-315986" title="To be honest, the whole ending felt rushed, as if they ran out of budget and needed to wrap things up. The first half of the movie lingered on unnecessarily graphic sex and birthing scenes (<em>verite! verite!</em>), which of course ended once Ann and her followers declared celibacy. The boat trip makes for a good story, as does the founding of the first settlement (the finger story is real!). But after that it’s only the persecutions, which you can only show so many times."><sup>1</sup></a></span> <span id="easy-footnote-2-315986" class="easy-footnote-margin-adjust"></span><span class="easy-footnote"><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the-testament-of-ann-lee/#easy-footnote-bottom-2-315986" title="Also, the institutionalized Shakers are the really wonder of this story. There were dozens of <a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Awakening#Prominent_figures&quot;>religious figures in this era</a> who could pull together bands of followers for a decade or so before burning themselves out. The Shakers are one of a small handful that kept going after the death of their charismatic leader."><sup>2</sup></a></span>



</p><p class="has-drop-cap">What’s ironic that the movie itself is beautifully done. The rocked-up ahistorical Shaker songs are stirring. The singing and dancing are beautiful and well choreographed. The cinematography is exceptional. Amanda Seyfried does a great job playing the character she’s been given. If only she had been given Mother Ann!</p>



<p>I recently got around to seeing Quentin Tarantino’s <em>Once Upon a Time in Hollywood</em>, another period movie that profiles a cult in a tumultuous time in American history. It transported me so much more than this one. As I sat in the theater this week, sighing as yet another music video montage powered up, I found myself longing for an auteur with a tiny budget to take on Ann Lee’s story (David Lynch would have understood the essential weirdness of Ann Lee). Less is sometimes more. And it definitely would have been for this production.</p>
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		<title>Functional theology</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 May 2023 13:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Johan’s book group is reading an old lecture by Jones, The Nature and Functions of the Light in the Thought of George Fox and he reflects on the approach: Canby exemplifies a typical Quaker approach to theology: it’s often functional. He doesn’t spend time defining “light,” he finds the distinction between “natural light” and the [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>Johan’s book group is reading an old lecture by Jones, <a href="https://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1957&amp;context=qrt">The Nature and Functions of the Light in the Thought of George Fox</a> and he <a href="https://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2023/05/t-canby-jones-on-george-fox-and-light.html">reflects on the approach</a>:</p>



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<p>Canby exemplifies a typical Quaker approach to theology: it’s often <b>functional</b>. He doesn’t spend time defining “light,” he finds the distinction between “natural light” and the Light of Christ unhelpful; he doesn’t cling to or generate doctrines. Instead, he describes how the Light of Christ actually seems to work in our lives.</p>
<cite><a href="https://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2023/05/t-canby-jones-on-george-fox-and-light.html">Source</a></cite></blockquote>



<p>I appreciate Johan’s distinction of functional theology here. Every so often my wife will ask me what I think about some specific point of doctrine, say the nature of Christ. As a Catholic, analytical thinker, and religion nerd, this is the kind of thing she naturally ponders, but I rarely give her a very satisfactory response. I often know the “right” answer according to traditional orthodox Christian creeds and I’m always curious what others make of questions like these, but what I myself believe is shaped and largely bounded by my own experiences of Christ working in my life. I’m adding Jones’s article to my reading list.</p>
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		<title>What is a Quaker Book of Faith and Practice?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thomas Hamm is one of the most literary QuakerSpeak interviewees—you could probably take his raw transcript and publish it as a Friends Journal article. But it’s good to have a YouTube-accessible explanation of one of the only formal compendiums of belief and practices that we creed-adverse Friends produce. It’s also fascinating to learn how the [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Hamm is one of the most literary QuakerSpeak interviewees—you could probably take his raw transcript and publish it as a <em>Friends Journal</em> article. But it’s good to have a YouTube-accessible explanation of one of the only formal compendiums of belief and practices that we creed-adverse Friends produce. It’s also fascinating to learn how the purpose and structure of <em>Faith and Practice</em> has differed over time, geography, and theology.</p>
<blockquote><p>What do Quakers believe? How do we practice our faith? The best place to look for the answers might be in a book of faith and practice. Here’s what they are and how they evolved over time.</p></blockquote>
<p>http://quakerspeak.com/what-is-a-quaker-book-of-faith-and-practice/</p>
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		<title>Walt Whitman: A prophet found under your boot-soles</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2019 15:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A brief look at some of the Quaker influences on Walt Whitman’s spirituality: Whitman absorbed deist principles from his father; he was equally influenced by his mother’s Quaker background. He embraced the Quaker emphasis on individual experience of the divine — what Friends call the “inner light” — as well as the concept of “that [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief look at some of the Quaker influences on Walt Whitman’s spirituality:</p>
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  Whitman absorbed deist principles from his father; he was equally influenced by his mother’s Quaker background. He embraced the Quaker emphasis on individual experience of the divine — what Friends call the “inner light” — as well as the concept of “that of God” existing within every person. Whitman’s poetry reflects Quakers’ radically egalitarian theology
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<p>https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2019/31-may/features/features/walt-whitman-a-prophet-found-under-your-boot-soles</p>
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		<title>Decline and persistence, part two</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So much to chew on in Johan Maurer’s Decline and persistence, part two. Find a good chair and take the time to read. Friends theology strips away all irrelevant social distinctions, giving us the potential for radical hospitality, but that requires us to neutralize elitist signals of all kinds with a hunger to taste heaven’s [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much to chew on in Johan Maurer’s <a href="http://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2018/03/decline-and-persistence-part-two.html">Decline and persistence, part two</a>. Find a good chair and take the time to read.</p>
<blockquote><p>Friends theology strips away all irrelevant social distinctions, giving us the potential for radical hospitality, but that requires us to neutralize elitist signals of all kinds with a hunger to taste heaven’s diversity here and now. If it takes a whole new conversion to give us the necessary freedom and emotional range in place of old class anxieties, so be it.</p></blockquote>
<p>http://blog.canyoubelieve.me/2018/03/decline-and-persistence-part-two.html</p>
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		<title>What do you love about your Quaker space?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We’re extending the deadline for the August issue on Quaker Spaces. We’ve got &#160;some really interest articles coming in–especially geeky things in architecture and the theology of our classic meetinghouses. So far our prospective pieces are &#160;weighted toward East Coast and classic meetinghouse architecture. I’d love to see pieces on non-traditional worship spaces. I know [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’re extending the deadline for the August issue on Quaker Spaces. We’ve got &nbsp;some really interest articles coming in–especially geeky things in architecture and the theology of our classic meetinghouses.</p>
<p>So far our prospective pieces are &nbsp;weighted toward East Coast and classic meetinghouse architecture. I’d love to see pieces on non-traditional worship spaces. I know there newly purpose-built meetinghouses, adaptations of pre-existing structures, and new takes on the Quaker impulse to not be churchy. And worship is where we’re gathered, not necessarily where we’re mortgaged: tell us about your the rented library room, the chairs set up on the beach, the room in the prison worship group…</p>
<p>Submission guidelines are at <a href="http://www.friendsjournal.org/submissions/">friendsjournal.org/submissions</a>. The new deadline is Monday, May 16. My last post about this issue is <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/2016/04/upcoming-fj-submission-quaker-spaces/">here</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been meaning to get more into the habit of sharing upcoming Friends Journal issue themes. We started focusing on themed issues back around 2012 as a way to bring some diversity to our subject matter and help encourage Friends to talk about topics that weren’t as regularly-covered. The next issue we’re looking to fill [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been meaning to get more into the habit of sharing upcoming <em>Friends Journal</em> issue themes. We started focusing on themed issues back around 2012 as a way to bring some diversity to our subject matter and help encourage Friends to talk about topics that weren’t as regularly-covered.</p>
<p></p><figure id="attachment_41119" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-41119" style="width: 225px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?ssl=1" rel="attachment wp-att-41119"><img data-recalc-dims="1" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?resize=225%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="One of the Greenwich, N.J., Meetinghouses." width="225" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-41119" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?resize=225%2C300&amp;ssl=1 225w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?resize=768%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 768w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?w=1536&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/3919138667_76622af8ba_o.jpg?w=1280&amp;ssl=1 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px"></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-41119" class="wp-caption-text">
<p>One of the Greenwich, N.J., meetinghouses, <a href="https://flic.kr/p/6YjBok">Sept 2009</a></p></figcaption></figure>
<p>The next issue we’re looking to fill is a topic I find interesting: Quaker Spaces. I’ve joked internally that we could call it “Meetinghouse Porn,” and while we already have some beautiful illustrations lined up, I think there’s a real chance at juicy Quaker theology in this issue as well.</p>
<p>One of my pet theories is that since we downplay creeds, we talk theology in the minutia of our meetinghouses. Not officially of course—our worship spaces are neutral, unconsecrated, empty buildings. But as Helen Kobek wrote in our March issue on “Disabilities and Inclusion,” we <a href="http://www.friendsjournal.org/accommodating-embodiment/">all need physical accommodations</a> and these provide templates to express our values. Earlier Friends expressed a theology that distrusted forms by developing an architectural style devoid of crosses, steeples. The classic meetinghouse looks like a barn, the most down-to-early humble architectural form a northern English sheepherders could imagine.</p>
<p>But theologies shift. As Friends assimilated, some started taking on other forms and Methodist-like meetinghouse (even sometimes daringly called churches) started popping up. Modern meetinghouses might have big plate glass windows looking out over a forest, a nod to our contemporary worship of nature or they might be in a converted house in a down-and-out neighborhood to show our love of social justice.</p>
<p></p><figure id="attachment_41127" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-41127" style="width: 197px" class="wp-caption alignright"><a href="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lancaster.jpg?ssl=1" rel="attachment wp-att-41127"><img data-recalc-dims="1" loading="lazy" decoding="async" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lancaster.jpg?resize=197%2C300&#038;ssl=1" alt="Top photo is a framed picture of the Lancaster U.K. Meetinghouse from the early 20th century--long benches lined up end to end, balcony. By the time of my visit, there were cushioned independent chairs arranged in a circle. " width="197" height="300" class="size-medium wp-image-41127" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lancaster.jpg?resize=197%2C300&amp;ssl=1 197w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lancaster.jpg?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 197px) 100vw, 197px"></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-41127" class="wp-caption-text">Top photo is of a framed picture of the Lancaster UK Meetinghouse from the early 20th century–long benches lined up the length of the space. By the time of my visit in 2003, the balcony was gone and the few remaining benches were relegated to an outer ring outside of cushioned chairs arranged in a circle surrounding a round table with flowers and copies of <i>Faith and Practice</i>.</figcaption></figure>
<p>But it’s not just the outsides where theology shows up. All of the classic Northeastern U.S. meetinghouses had rows of benches facing forward, with elevated fencing benches reserved for the Quaker elders. A theologically-infused distrust of this model has led many a meeting to rearrange the pews into a more circular arrangement. Sometimes someone will sneak something into the middle of the space—flowers, or a Bible or hymnal—as if in recognition that they don’t find the emptiness of the Quaker form sufficient. If asked, most of these decisions will be explained away in a light-hearted manner but it’s hard for me to believe there isn’t at least an unconscious nod to theology in some of the choices.</p>
<p>I’d love to hear stories of Friends negotiating the meeting space. Has the desire to build or move a meetinghouse solidified or divided your meeting? Do you share the space with other groups, or rent it out during the week? If so, how have you decided on the groups that can use it? Have you bickered over the details of a space. Here in the Northeast, there are many tales of meetings coming close to schism over the question of replacing ancient horsehair bench cushions, but I’m sure there are considerations and debates to be had over the form of folding chairs.</p>
<p>You can find out more about submitting to this or any other upcoming issue our the <a href="http://www.friendsjournal.org/submissions/">Friends Journal Submissions</a> page. Other upcoming issues are “Crossing Cultures” and “Social Media and Technology.”</p>
<h2>Aug 2016: Quaker Spaces</h2>
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<p>What do our architecture, interior design, and meetinghouse locations say about our theology and our work in the world? Quakers don’t consecrate our worship spaces but there’s a strong pull of nostalgia that brings people into our historic buildings and an undeniable energy to innovative Quaker spaces. How do our physical manifestations keep us grounded or keep us from sharing the “Quaker gospel” more widely?&nbsp;Submissions due 5/2/2016.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wess Daniels posts about Quaker theology on his blog. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering talk about FGC Quakerism. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet: “[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wess Daniels posts about <a href="http://gatheringinlight.com/2007/06/03/an-apologetic-for-a-quaker-theology-do-we-need-it-or-want-it">Quaker theology on his blog</a>. I responded there but got to thinking of Swarthmore professor Jerry Frost’s 2000 Gathering <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20000817022309/http://www.fgcquaker.org/library/history/frost1.html">talk about FGC Quakerism</a>. Academic, theologically-minded Friends helped forge liberal Quakerism but their influenced wained after that first generation. Here’s a snippet:</p>
<blockquote><p>“[T]he first generations of English and America Quaker liberals like Jones and Cadbury were all birthright and they wrote books as well as pamphlets. Before unification, PYM Orthodox and the other Orthodox meetings produced philosophers, theologians, and Bible scholars, but now the combined yearly meetings in FGC produce weighty Friends, social activists, and earnest seekers.”<br>
…<br>
“The liberals who created the FGC had a thirst for knowledge, for linking the best in religion with the best in science, for drawing upon both to make ethical judgments. Today by becoming anti-intellectual in religion when we are well-educated we have jettisoned the impulse that created FGC, reunited yearly meetings, redefined our role in wider society, and created the modern peace testimony. The kinds of energy we now devote to meditation techniques and inner spirituality needs to be spent on philosophy, science, and Christian religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This talk was hugely influential to my wife Julie and myself. We had just met two days before and while I had developed an instant crush, Frost’s talk was the first time we sat next to one another. I realized that this might become something serious when we both laughed out loud at Jerry’s wry asides and theology jokes. We ended up walking around the campus late into the early hours talking talking talking.</p>
<p>But the talk wasn’t just the religion geek equivalent of a pick-up bar. We both responded to Frost’s call for a new generation of serious Quaker thinkers. Julie enrolled in a Religion PhD program, studying Quaker theology under Frost himself for a semester. I dove into historians like Thomas Hamm and modern thinkers like Lloyd Lee Wilson as a way to understand and articulate the implicit theology of “FGC Friends” and took independent initiatives to fill the gaps in FGC services, taking leadership in young adult program and co-leading workshops and interest groups.</p>
<p>Things didn’t turn out as we expected. I hesitate speaking for Julie but I think it’s fair enough to say that she came to the conclusion that Friends ideals and practices were unbridgable and she left Friends. I’ve documented my own setbacks and right now I’m pretty detached from formal Quaker bodies.</p>
<p>Maybe enough time hasn’t gone by yet. I’ve heard that the person sitting on Julie’s other side for that talk is now studying theology up in New England; another Friend who I suspect was nearby just started at Earlham School of Religion. I’ve called this <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/the_lost_quaker_generation.php">the Lost Quaker Generation</a> but at least some of its members have just been lying low. It’s hard to know whether any of these historically-informed Friends will ever help shape FGC popular culture in the way that Quaker academia influenced liberal Friends did before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Rereading Frost’s speech this afternoon it’s clear to see it as an important inspiration for <a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org">QuakerQuaker</a>. Parts of it act well as a good liberal Quaker vision for what the blogosphere has since taken to calling convergent Friends. I hope more people will stumble on Frost’s speech and be inspired, though I hope they will be careful not to tie this vision too closely with any existing institution and to remember the true source of that <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/popup.pl?book=Mat&amp;chapter=6&amp;verse=11&amp;version=kjv#11">daily bread</a>. Here’s a few more inspirational lines from Jerry:</p>
<blockquote><p>We should remember that theology can provide a foundation for unity. We ought to be smart enough to realize that any formulation of what we believe or linking faith to modern thought is a secondary activity; to paraphrase Robert Barclay, words are description of the fountain and not the stream of living water. Those who created the FGC and reunited meetings knew the possibilities and dangers of theology, but they had a confidence that truth increased possibilities.</p></blockquote>
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