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		By: Martin Kelley		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unbeknownst to me, FGC staffer Emily Stewart snapped a picture of the &quot;intergenerational post-interest group interest group&quot;:http://www.flickr.com/photos/26138485@N00/191745334/in/pool-16654293@N00/.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbeknownst to me, FGC staffer Emily Stewart snapped a picture of the “intergenerational post-interest group interest group”:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26138485@N00/191745334/in/pool-16654293@N00/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26138485@N00/191745334/in/pool-16654293@N00/</a>.</p>
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		By: Martin Kelley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*Hey Kwakersaur*: oooh, what&#039;s your workshop on?!? Not like I can really afford a trip north but I&#039;m sure we&#039;d all love to live it vicariously here. I have to admit I&#039;m not too good at convening committees myself (in this way I&#039;m still very much a ranter). Part of the (healthy) challenge for me when working with others is the giving up of my over-developed desire for control (e.g., in the case of the interest group I had to resist my occasional desires to completely rewrite the description in Martin-speak!). I think there&#039;s something important in the Quaker/Christian process of doing things in two&#039;s (was it you who blogged about that last year?) and I&#039;d like to get away from completely solo work in the future.
*Hi Wess*: I think a healthy sign of whatever movement we&#039;re noticing here is that we all can&#039;t be at every event, but I&#039;m still bummed I won&#039;t be with you next month!
*Hey Delonna*: don&#039;t blame me. The latest Quakerquaker links are from &quot;Robin&quot;:http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_robin_m/, &quot;Wess&quot;:http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_c_wess_daniels/ and &quot;Johan&quot;:http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_johan_maurer/!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Hey Kwakersaur*: oooh, what’s your workshop on?!? Not like I can really afford a trip north but I’m sure we’d all love to live it vicariously here. I have to admit I’m not too good at convening committees myself (in this way I’m still very much a ranter). Part of the (healthy) challenge for me when working with others is the giving up of my over-developed desire for control (e.g., in the case of the interest group I had to resist my occasional desires to completely rewrite the description in Martin-speak!). I think there’s something important in the Quaker/Christian process of doing things in two’s (was it you who blogged about that last year?) and I’d like to get away from completely solo work in the future.<br>
*Hi Wess*: I think a healthy sign of whatever movement we’re noticing here is that we all can’t be at every event, but I’m still bummed I won’t be with you next month!<br>
*Hey Delonna*: don’t blame me. The latest Quakerquaker links are from “Robin”:<a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_robin_m/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_robin_m/</a>, “Wess”:<a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_c_wess_daniels/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_c_wess_daniels/</a> and “Johan”:<a href="http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_johan_maurer/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.quakerquaker.org/contributors_johan_maurer/</a>!</p>
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		By: Delonna		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1021</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Martin! What have you done!?!? I had planned on getting to my classroom to do some work but have spent all morning on quakerquaker!! It is all so inspiring and exciting and... wow!! Thank you.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin! What have you done!?!? I had planned on getting to my classroom to do some work but have spent all morning on quakerquaker!! It is all so inspiring and exciting and… wow!! Thank you.</p>
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		By: C. Wess Daniels		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C. Wess Daniels]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Martin, Great post and it&#039;s good for me to hear about how this went especially as I am preparing for our gathering in August.  I will be using these ideas.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, Great post and it’s good for me to hear about how this went especially as I am preparing for our gathering in August.  I will be using these ideas.</p>
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		By: kwakersaur (aka david)		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1019</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this posting.
I will be facilitating a workshop in April. And it had not occurred to me to seek a committe of committed Friends to meet with me as I plan my agenda(s) and undergird this work in waiting worship.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this posting.<br>
I will be facilitating a workshop in April. And it had not occurred to me to seek a committe of committed Friends to meet with me as I plan my agenda(s) and undergird this work in waiting worship.</p>
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		By: Martin Kelley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul &amp; Robin,
Don&#039;t give me too much credit for speed: the core experience I&#039;ve written about here happened five months ago! I was able to include last week&#039;s interest group only because I had been chewing through similar workshop dynamics since February.
Shaman? Well, I haven&#039;t spent enough time with Inuits to speak to their spiritual practices (grin!); my attempts at ministry are indebted most to teachers like Bownas and Woolman (I was called for jury duty today and spent my hurry-up-and-wait hours reading Woolman&#039;s account of his stormy ocean crossing in steerage; it made the non-air-conditioned-but-otherwise-comfortable Atlantic City Courthouse seem okay). It seems to me that many Westerners writing about non-Western spiritualities are really writing about their own but I still I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if _islumatook_ had similarities with expectant Quaker worship. It&#039;s the same Light that promises to teach us all, after all. I very much doubt I could repeat either of these experiences and I don&#039;t think I&#039;d want to be able to: the real point is not what workshop leaders want but what God wants for us; all we can ever do to facilitate that is to hold as close to the Guide as we can.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul &amp; Robin,<br>
Don’t give me too much credit for speed: the core experience I’ve written about here happened five months ago! I was able to include last week’s interest group only because I had been chewing through similar workshop dynamics since February.<br>
Shaman? Well, I haven’t spent enough time with Inuits to speak to their spiritual practices (grin!); my attempts at ministry are indebted most to teachers like Bownas and Woolman (I was called for jury duty today and spent my hurry-up-and-wait hours reading Woolman’s account of his stormy ocean crossing in steerage; it made the non-air-conditioned-but-otherwise-comfortable Atlantic City Courthouse seem okay). It seems to me that many Westerners writing about non-Western spiritualities are really writing about their own but I still I wouldn’t be surprised if _islumatook_ had similarities with expectant Quaker worship. It’s the same Light that promises to teach us all, after all. I very much doubt I could repeat either of these experiences and I don’t think I’d want to be able to: the real point is not what workshop leaders want but what God wants for us; all we can ever do to facilitate that is to hold as close to the Guide as we can.</p>
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		By: Robin M.		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1017</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Martin for getting this up so quickly.  I tried, but I found that I couldn&#039;t write about anything that was happening until we were on our way home. Yesterday I was scribbling in my notebook in the airport. I just got home last night, and I&#039;m glad that Friends are beginning to find their ways to post about FGC.
Robin
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Martin for getting this up so quickly.  I tried, but I found that I couldn’t write about anything that was happening until we were on our way home. Yesterday I was scribbling in my notebook in the airport. I just got home last night, and I’m glad that Friends are beginning to find their ways to post about FGC.<br>
Robin</p>
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		By: Paul L		</title>
		<link>https://www.quakerranter.org/turning_workshops_into_worship/#comment-1016</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 01:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice report, Martin. I&#039;m amazed at how quickly you could process &amp; get it up. I&#039;ve been reeling for days after.
There&#039;s a passage in Barry Lopez&#039;s book Arctic Dreams where he describes what some Arctic natives call an &quot;islumatook&quot; (this may be misspelled; I don&#039;t have the book with me). He says it&#039;s usually translated as &quot;shaman&quot;, but that it really has a literal meaning of &quot;one who creates the space in which wisdom can be revealed.&quot; That&#039;s what you guys did on Monday night.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice report, Martin. I’m amazed at how quickly you could process &amp; get it up. I’ve been reeling for days after.<br>
There’s a passage in Barry Lopez’s book Arctic Dreams where he describes what some Arctic natives call an “islumatook” (this may be misspelled; I don’t have the book with me). He says it’s usually translated as “shaman”, but that it really has a literal meaning of “one who creates the space in which wisdom can be revealed.” That’s what you guys did on Monday night.</p>
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