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		<title>Retro Quaker Vocal Ministry Flowchart</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[People have been commenting a lot on this chart Friends Journal shared on social media last week. Originally published in the August 1991 issue, what I love most about it is its 1990s-era flowchart design. What would it be today—some punchy infographic perhaps? We dove into the archives because this month’s issue is all about [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>People have been commenting a lot on this chart <em>Friends Journal</em> shared on social media last week. Originally published in the August 1991 issue, what I love most about it is its 1990s-era flowchart design. What would it be today—some punchy infographic perhaps? We dove into the archives because this month’s issue is all about <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/issue-category/2022/vocal-ministry/">Quaker vocal ministry</a> and at least two of the feature articles mention these kinds of charts.</p>



<p>From <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/the-ministry-of-listening/">Paul Buckley</a>:</p>



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<p>There is a frequently reproduced diagram that graphically guides potential speakers through a series of questions they are to consider when they feel an urge to rise and speak. These examine whether a potential message is divinely inspired; whether it is intended for the speaker alone or for others present; and whether this is the right time and place to deliver it. These resources are all useful, but they only address one half of the act of vocal ministry: one that is, by far, the smaller and perhaps less important portion. The other part is the ministry of listening, and we are all called to be listening ministers.</p>
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<p>From <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/a-bargain-with-the-giver/">Edna Whittier</a>:</p>



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<p>Since the beginning of the Religious Society of Friends, written advices have guided Friends. Yearly meetings’ faith and practice books, Pendle Hill pamphlets on vocal ministry, and individual monthly meetings’ “Welcome to Quaker Worship” handouts have guidelines for speaking or not speaking in meeting for worship. In 2019, Friends General Conference even published a poster of a circle flow chart with guidelines for delivering a message during worship.</p>
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<p>This version is below. Yes, it is very 2020’s infographical in design! (<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Nov_2019_MM_Mailing_Vocal_Ministry_Poster_FINAL.pdf">PDF</a>; a similar version was produced for a Pendle Hill pamphlet by FGC staff Barry Crossno and Brent Bill, <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/Are-You-Called-to-Share-a-Message-During-Worship-from-PHP-460-cropped.pdf">PDF</a>). </p>



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<p>But I link to the articles because these kinds of when-to-speak kind of charts can always become problematic. As Betsy Cazden <a href="https://twitter.com/Betsy_Cazden">replied on Twitter</a>: “The people who need it least will spend the full hour obsessing about the flow-chart and will never speak. The people who need it most never will.” Just a few weeks ago I was sitting on a bench in Cropwell (N.J.) Meeting testing and retesting my motivations and leadings to rise and give ministry. I gave a final breath to stand up when I heard the “good morning Friends” followed by the sounds of hands slapping on hands in rise-of-meeting handshakes. Over the years I have learned not spend my whole hour obsessing but had not realized this meeting’s worship was only 45 minutes!</p>



<p><strong>Further reading</strong>: <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/an-expected-miracle/">An Expected Miracle</a>, a 2023 post about the (often unnecessary) pressures of Quaker ministry.</p>



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<figure class="wp-block-image size-large is-resized"><img data-recalc-dims="1" loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="640" height="766" src="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ministry-in-MfW-Listening-for-guidance-1712x2048-1.png?resize=640%2C766&#038;ssl=1" alt class="wp-image-193074" style="width:489px;height:auto" srcset="https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ministry-in-MfW-Listening-for-guidance-1712x2048-1.png?resize=856%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 856w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ministry-in-MfW-Listening-for-guidance-1712x2048-1.png?resize=251%2C300&amp;ssl=1 251w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ministry-in-MfW-Listening-for-guidance-1712x2048-1.png?resize=1284%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1284w, https://i0.wp.com/www.quakerranter.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Ministry-in-MfW-Listening-for-guidance-1712x2048-1.png?w=1712&amp;ssl=1 1712w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px"><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><a href="https://westminsterquakers.org.uk/a-plain-guide-to-vocal-ministry">Westminster Meeting, in London</a>, which in turn got it from a 2015 book by Zélie Gross, <a href="https://www.friendsjournal.org/book/with-tender-hand-resource-eldership-oversight/">With a Tender Hand</a>.</figcaption></figure>
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		<title>A more modern commission</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2019 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an East Coast unprogrammed Friend, Quaker mission work is still a bit exotic. We’re used to reading of well-meaning nineteenth century Friends whose attitudes shock us today. But here’s a story of some Midwest mission work with the Shawnee in the 1970s and 80s. Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an East Coast unprogrammed Friend, Quaker mission work is still a bit exotic. We’re used to reading of well-meaning nineteenth century Friends whose attitudes shock us today. But here’s a story of some Midwest mission work with the Shawnee in the 1970s and 80s.</p>
<blockquote><p>
  Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking and language translating, lots of transporting children and teens. It also involves preaching each week, and participation in funerals, weddings, and other traditional pastoral duties, all aimed at introducing people to Jesus.</p>
<p>  Their “mission” work consists of farming, teaching, music and woodworking and language translating, lots of transporting children and teens. It also involves preaching each week, and participation in funerals, weddings, and other traditional pastoral duties, all aimed at introducing people to Jesus.&nbsp;
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<p>http://www.liberalfirst.com/opinion/our-great-commission</p>
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		<title>Kindertransport survivors call for routes to sanctuary for child refugees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2018 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At an 80th anniversary of the UK kindertransport program (which we read about a few days ago), survivors and Friends call for wider support for today’s refugees and asylum seekers: Helen Drewery, Head of Witness and Worship for Quakers in Britain, welcoming all to Friends House, said, “We are pleased to be hosting an event [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At an 80th anniversary of the UK kindertransport program (<a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/kristallnacht-kindertransport-and-help-for-refugees/">which we </a><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/kristallnacht-kindertransport-and-help-for-refugees/">read</a><a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/kristallnacht-kindertransport-and-help-for-refugees/"> about a few days ago</a>), survivors and Friends call for wider support for today’s refugees and asylum seekers:</p>
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  Helen Drewery, Head of Witness and Worship for Quakers in Britain, welcoming all to Friends House, said, “We are pleased to be hosting an event which honours all those – including Quakers who put the Kindertransport into effect. Their endeavours are being echoed today by nearly 100 Quaker meetings across Britain which have identified themselves as Sanctuary Meetings and are supporting people who have fled from danger in their home countries. We are glad that these Meetings and the people they are supporting are represented at today’s event. We join them in pressing for more safe passages.”
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<p>http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/27200</p>
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		<title>Ministers, elders, and overseers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2018 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Jnana Hodson, a listing of three types of offices in traditional Quaker meetings: Traditionally, Quaker meetings recognized and nurtured individuals who had spiritual gifts as ministers, elders, or overseers. These roles could be filled by men or women, and their service extended over the entire congregation. Many Friends have dropped the term “overseers” in [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Jnana Hodson, a listing of three types of offices in traditional Quaker meetings:</p>
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  Traditionally, Quaker meetings recognized and nurtured individuals who had spiritual gifts as ministers, elders, or overseers. These roles could be filled by men or women, and their service extended over the entire congregation.
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<p>Many Friends have dropped the term “overseers” in recent years, out of concern for how the word is so associated with slavery. As I understand it, early Friends’ use of the word came from its use as an English translation for <a href="https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/episkopos.html">Episkopos</a> in the New Testament. They considered themselves to be re-establishing early Christian models. For example, Acts 20:28:</p>
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  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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<p>Bible translations that were geared toward a Catholic audience tended to stick to Latinized words and went with “bishop” over “overseer.” Quakers worried about the connotation of the word could propose that we just start naming bishops. It’s not as nutty as it might seem, as there are anabaptist churches who use the term to talk about roles within individual churches. Of course, sometimes name changes also mask changes in theology and I noticed that some of the more liberal Quaker meetings dropped “overseer” with a speed which they are not otherwise known for. Friends today are a lot more individualistic than Friends were when our institutions were set up — there are many good reasons for this in our histories. But I do hope we’re continuing to find adequate ways to notice and care for our members.<br>
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<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="JgZxAMsGFq"><p><a href="https://friendjnana.wordpress.com/2018/10/20/we-need-all-three-and-more/">We need all three – and&nbsp;more</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Friendly Fire: The Making of a Charismatic Quaker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A look at the Vineyard Movement’s Quaker roots: When it comes to Spirit-attentive worship and ministry, the Vineyard manifests Quaker spirituality in a way that is faithful to the Evangelical tradition, but truly mystical, and of course deeply Quaker. They live out a Quakerism many of today’s American Quakers, both Liberal and Orthodox, would find [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A look at the Vineyard Movement’s Quaker roots:</p>
<blockquote><p>When it comes to Spirit-attentive worship and ministry, the Vineyard manifests Quaker spirituality in a way that is faithful to the Evangelical tradition, but truly mystical, and of course deeply Quaker. They live out a Quakerism many of today’s American Quakers, both Liberal and Orthodox, would find laughable, backwards. George Fox, on the other hand, may get it.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="QQuD4dduJ0"><p><a href="https://friendlyfirecollective.wordpress.com/2018/09/19/the-making-of-a-charismatic-quaker/">The Making of a Charismatic&nbsp;Quaker</a></p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An observation on the soil of God’s work—us: For many of us, our predicament today seems most like the soil with the thorns: We want to draw closer to God and walk in God’s ways, but there is so much bad news, so many obligations, so many distractions. We can be led astray, sometimes without [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An observation on the soil of God’s work—us:</p>
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  For many of us, our predicament today seems most like the soil with the thorns: We want to draw closer to God and walk in God’s ways, but there is so much bad news, so many obligations, so many distractions. We can be led astray, sometimes without even knowing it. The founder of our movement, George Fox, once said that “whatever ye are addicted to, the Tempter will come in that thing; and when he can trouble you, then he gets advantage over you, and then ye are gone.” We can be addicted to many things: not just, say, alcohol or gambling, but ideas, both about the world and about ourselves.
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<p>Alone, none of us can do much to change the world. But we can allow ourselves to be instruments of peace, reconciliation, love. It’s easy to get stuck and tempting in those times to get defensive or look toward others. I’ve found the old Quaker take on “The Tempter” to be personally very useful. I’ve learned to question and go inward whenever I feel too much pride in something or find myself part of a group that seems self-satisfied with its work. </p>
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		<title>Creeds and stories</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isaac Smith was going to write something about creeds: I had been kicking around writing something on the uses and abuses of creeds in the Quaker tradition, but then I discovered that Ben Wood had written a fairly definitive version of that essay already. So read that instead. Ben’s 2016 piece on Quakers and creeds [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac Smith <a href="https://theanarchyoftheranters.wordpress.com/2018/08/22/ben-wood-on-creeds/">was going to write</a> something about creeds:</p>
<blockquote><p>I had been kicking around writing something on the uses and abuses of creeds in the Quaker tradition, but then I discovered that Ben Wood had written a fairly definitive version of that essay already. So read that instead.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ben’s <a href="https://summeroflove85.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/quakers-and-creeds/">2016 piece on Quakers and creeds</a> is definitely worth a read. I checked my records and I must have missed it at the time, so I’ll share it now. He goes deep into the kinds of creeds that Penn and Barclay gave in their writings but also what the earlier Christian creed-makers were coming from. He also comes to today. Here’s a taste:</p>
<blockquote><p>we cannot be creed-makers before we are story-preservers and story-tellers. We cannot hope to resolve differences unless and until we dig down into our own Quaker story; unless we come to terms with its power and implications. At least part of our sense of spiritual malaise is a reticence to engage with the depth of the Quaker tale. Partly that reticence is about a lack of teaching ministry among Friends. We haven’t given each other the tools to become skillful readers of our own narrative. We have assumed that people can just ‘pick this stuff up’ through a mysterious process of osmosis. This has led to a fragmentation of understanding about the meaning and implications of Quaker grammar.</p></blockquote>
<p>In my world, talk of creeds has sprung up recently following the QuakerSpeak video of Arthur Larrabee’s <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/what-do-quaker-belief-anyway/">nine core principles of unprogrammed Friends</a>. His principles seem fairly descriptive of mainstream Liberal Friends to me, but predictably enough <a href="http://quakerspeak.com/9-core-quaker-beliefs/#comments">the video’s comments have people worried</a> about any formulation: “Espousing core beliefs—no matter how well intentioned—risks introducing a creed.” One of my pet theories is that the <a href="https://www.quakerranter.org/same_as_it_ever_was/">mid-century truce over theology talk that helped Quaker branches reunite</a> (at least on the U.S. East Coast) has stopped working.</p>
<blockquote class="wp-embedded-content" data-secret="plyS8iNIdV"><p><a href="https://summeroflove85.wordpress.com/2016/03/20/quakers-and-creeds/">Quakers and Creeds</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Jeff Kisling: Resist not evil today</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Kelley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2018 16:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When looking back to Nazi Germany in the 1930s are we so sure God Could not have found a way? Henry Cadbury believed the Jewish people should have appealed to the German sense of justice and national conscience. Then those Germans would have stood up for the Jewish people, and prevented the Nazis from acquiring [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When looking back to Nazi Germany in the 1930s are we so sure God Could not have found a way?</p>
<blockquote><p>Henry Cadbury believed the Jewish people should have appealed to the German sense of justice and national conscience. Then those Germans would have stood up for the Jewish people, and prevented the Nazis from acquiring power. The death camps would not have happened.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Many probably think that is naive and could not have worked. But that is what nonviolence is about, connecting with those you are hoping to change. Listening deeply and being willing to change yourself. This is also what faith is about, believing in the presence of God today. Believing that as you listen closely you will be guided by the Inner Light. Believing somehow God will find a way.</p>
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<p>There’s a fine line between idealistic naiveté and realistic solidarity. I’m still of the mind that Cadbury should have harbored more cynicism of what was happening as the Nazi Party grew in Germany but I can see Jeff’s point: in 1934, was the future we know inevitable?</p>
<p>https://kislingjeff.wordpress.com/2018/08/18/resist-not-evil-today/</p>
<p>Correction: I got my Jeffs mixed up in the original version of this post. This was written by Jeff Kisling.</p>
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