My Quaker Talk interview with S.E.W. Smith, in which we talk about living with the eternal now and 200-year present. His article, Restore the Time, appears in the October issue of Friends Journal.
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How Do We Talk About Quaker Worship? Balancing Belief and Practice
October 14, 2026
I talked with Jack Tripp, who teaches ninth and eleventh grade English at the same Quaker school he himself attended a decade or so ago. With a religious tradition as fiercely anti-creedal as ours — and one that has morphed and evolved into various contradictory forms — how do we describe ourselves? The problem is heightened in a Quaker school settings, where only a fraction of students will be Quaker themselves. Jack’s article, Toward a Quaker Pedigree, is in the online edition of this month’s Friends Journal.
Also, I don’t think I ever shared last month’s Quaker Talk podcast interview with Michelle Downey, “How a Quaker Meeting Welcomes Military Families.” I also wrote the introduction to the October issue, “Restoring Our Parts of the World.”
Turning Weapons into Peace: My Interview with Scotty Utz
September 14, 2026
I interviewed September FJ author Scotty Utz about Guns-to-Garden Movement. Fascinating witness and some heartbreaking stories. From my intro:
One of the most profound and oft quoted statements from probably the entire Bible is from Isaiah, and it goes And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people, and they shall beat their swords into plough shares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. And this may seem like a wonderful lyrical kind of statement. But what if we actually took it seriously and actually started taking our instruments of war and turning them into pruning hooks?
Fostering Empathy Through Fiction Writing
November 24, 2025
I talked with Peterson Toscano about his fiction piece in the November issue of Friends Journal and we segued into all sorts of byways into how fiction can show us parts of spiritual lives that straight-ahead essays can’t.
Standing with the Marginalized, with Anthony Manousos)
September 22, 2025
This week I talked with my old Friend Anthony Manousos about the [waves hand in the air] political situation we’re in. I’ve known Anthony for over 28 years now, back when we were part of a conference to try to kick-start what later was reborn as Quaker Voluntary Service (spoiler: our attempt failed for what I think were mostly generational issues). Anthony is still protesting and witnessing to make a better world. I loved hearing his story of coalition work and the joy of organizing with music. His article, “We Have No King,” appears in this month’s Friends Journal.
I asked him what Quakers bring to protests:
One of the important things that we bring is our way of worship. And our way of worship helps to bring the temperature down. I think what the current regime wants is a violent movement opposing them. That plays out what they want (and certainly the assassination of Charlie Kirk plays into that scenario). What Quakers bring is a commitment to peaceful protest. And when we’re around, we can be that strong, committed, peaceful presence. And that’s important.
I also asked him a follow-up question of what we need to do to get out of the way and accept the leadership of others in social change. You can listen to his answers or read them in the show notes.
A Journey of Conscience: Ron Marullo’s Story
September 16, 2025
I talked with Friends Journal author Ronald Marullo this week. His article, “I Aint’ Marching Anymore” (a nod to Phil Ochs of course), recounts his path to conscientious objection during the Vietnam war, helped by a very knowledgable Quaker counselor. It always amazes me that just a few conversations at the right time can help someone clarify their beliefs and set their lives on a different path.
I was especially interested in talking about the after-effects of the CO process since I went through something similar myself. Around age 17 my father started lobbying hard for me to go to the Naval Academy at Annapolis. Except for a few years in Presbyterian Sunday School we had grown up mostly a‑religious and I found the idea intriguing. I think in retrospect I was mostly excited by the idea of an orderly life that might address my ADHD (called hyperactivity in those days). I got far enough into the process to take a physical and get a letter of commendation from our congressperson but then thought more about the military itself. I realized I didn’t feel comfortable joining an organization whose purpose was threatening to kill. I had on principle, and without much deliberation, decided not to engage in schoolyard fights years before, and suffered the regular humiliations that comes of being the smallest kid in class who everyone knows won’t fight back. To the disappointment of my father I stopped the application process for the navy. As I pondered what to do next, I asked myself what other values might come from my newfound pacifism. Over the next few years I explored various leads and — being in the Philadelphia area — started running into Quakers, some of whom had a kind of inner conviction I found intriguing.
So while I was far too young to ever worry about a draft, I did have a similar defining “what do I believe” moment as a teenager. As Ron says in our author chat podcast:
That was a turning point in my life. I made decisions from filling out those forms and answering those questions actually made concrete what I had inside me, ideally. You think about this and think about that and whether or not you hold it true. But when you have to put it all on paper and you have to submit it to the world, it changes you. And I’ve lived by that philosophy since that age. I’ve done it in my educational experience with children. I’ve done it in my private life with friends, caregiving others. My wife and I have been doing that, you know, for decades.
Education and Empowerment in Post-Civil War America: Lynette Love
August 7, 2025
I talk with Lynette Love, who’s written an article about a post-Civil War school in South Carolina that was started by Friends.
We discuss the life and impact of Cornelia Hancock, a Quaker nurse during the Civil War who played a significant role in establishing Freedmen Schools in South Carolina. The discussion covers Hancock’s bravery, the humanitarian crisis of contraband during the war, and the legacy of education for freed slaves. Lynette also addresses the current controversies surrounding her book about this history, touching on themes of censorship and the importance of remembering the full scope of history, including its darker aspects.
In today’s political climate, not everyone is comfortable with that full scope. A report in the Charleston Post and Courier last month says that Love’s book has been flagged under Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum’s May 2025 order titled “Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History.” Here’s a clip of Lynette and I talking about this.
The people mistaking AI for God
June 24, 2025
Okay, so this is creepy. On her YouTube channel, Taylor Lorenz looks into the phenomenon of people taking AI to be God-like. It’s part influencer grift and part mental health breakdown.